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Ratings: Good Week For Y&R/B&B/GH

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Report for the Week of July 7-11, 2014

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Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings

(Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)

Total Viewers
1. Y&R 4,478,000 (+157,000/-176,000)
2. B&B 3,687,000 (+238,000/+178,000)
3. GH 2,872,000 (+64,000/+423,000)
4. DAYS 2,391,000 (-12,000/-59,000)

Households
1. Y&R 3.3/11 (+.1/-.1)
2. B&B 2.7/89 (+.2/+.2)
3. GH 2.2/7 (+.1/+.4)
4. DAYS 1.8/6 (same/-.1)

Women 18-49 Viewers
1. Y&R 716,000 (+93,000/-160,000)
2. B&B 654,000 (+47,000/+23,000)
3. GH 583,000 (+5,000/-27,000)
4. DAYS 562,000 (+3,000/+14,000)

Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 1.1/8 (+.1/-.3)
2. B&B 1.0/7 (+.1/same)
3. DAYS 0.9/6 (same/same)
3. GH 0.9/6 (same/-.1)

Women 18-34 Viewers
1. GH 171,000 (-29,000/-5,000)
2. DAYS 156,000 (+21,000/-1,000)
3. B&B 141,000 (+19,000/-55,000)
4. Y&R 131,000 (+18,000/-144,000)

Women 18-34 Rating
1. DAYS 0.5 (+.1/same)
1. GH 0.5 (-.1/same)
3. B&B 0.4 (same/-.2)
3. Y&R 0.4 (+.1/-.4)

Women 25-54 Viewers
1. Y&R 1,200,000 (+142,000/+8,000)
2. B&B 972,000 (+49,000/+62,000)
3. GH 827,000 (+40,000/+25,000)
4. DAYS 739,000 (-11,000/+29,000)

Women 25-54 Rating
1. Y&R 2.0 (+.3/same)
2. B&B 1.6 (+.1/+.1)
3. GH 1.4 (+.1/+.1)
4. DAYS 1.2 (same/same)

Day-To-Day Ratings – HH/Total Viewers

B&B
Monday: 2.9/3,989,000
Tuesday: 2.9/3,909,000
Wednesday: 2.6/3,515,000
Thursday: 2.5/3,355,000
Friday: 2.7/3,664,000

DAYS
Monday: 1.9/2,551,000
Tuesday: 2.0/2,599,000
Wednesday: 1.8/2,254,000
Thursday: 1.9/2,317,000
Friday: 1.6/2,231,000

GH
Monday: 2.2/2,824,000
Tuesday: 2.3/3,054,000
Wednesday: 2.2/2,917,000
Thursday: 2.2/2,931,000
Friday: 2.0/2,632,000

Y&R
Monday: 3.6/4,829,000
Tuesday: 3.4/4,561,000
Wednesday: 3.3/4,500,000
Thursday: 3.1/4,102,000
Friday: 3.3/4,396,000

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  • http://unknown.com Bexx

    Way to go CBS! It’s about time there is positive news for Y&R.

    • David

      I am not sure i see these numbers as good news for any of the shows. Y&R B&B and GH all saw gains in total viewers but Y&R and GH are still down in the key 18-49 demo from last year. B&B went up in both total viewers and the key demo so really the only one with good news. In a really weird twist Days down in total viewers but up in the key demos. Still not a great week at all for any of the 3 shows. And all the shows still seem to struggle on Fridays for whatever reason

      • nyvoter

        David, I have a thought about Fridays, since it seems consistent across the board. Nielsen only uses live and same day ratings, which means, if you are watching from DVR (rather than live), you must watch the DVR programming the same day it was aired live. I think that on Friday some folks forego watching Friday’s soaps since they have the weekend to catch up. I read in tweets that some people are cathing up with Thurs and Fri over the weekend … but I think the drop in Fri ratings, to an extent, is due to Nielsen’s very strict ratings count for daytime (as opposed to primetime).

      • TV&MovieBuff

        I just think the Friday thing is due to the fact that DVR watchers don’t have to watch the Friday show in a short amount of time. All week many of them actually watch the show they DVR’d that day. On Friday they have an extra day so many of them just don’t watch in the time of these ratings (Live plus 1 day).

        That takes care of some. Now like me esp. during the summer even with DVR I may not catch up until the weekend. The summer is just so busy for me.

        • nyvoter

          TV&MoviewBuff: I just said the same thing below *) But I’m pretty sure its live plus same day, you must watch the DVR episode the same day it aired to count … but we are certaining agreeing, lots of folks do not watch on Friday but rather sometime over the weekend.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            I asked that once and someone said it was the live showing plus the first 24 hours afterward that counted toward the 1 day.

          • JayTN

            I believe that Nielsen cuts off the “Live+same day” numbers at either 1AM or 3AM. That means if you watch a program before 1AM or 3AM the next morning that it is counted. Of course, that only applies to those rare few homes affiliated with Nielsen.

          • nyvoter

            Thanks, Jay ..

          • sands of time

            Why do we never see the live +7 ratings? Do they garner the same ad rates as live +same day ratings?

          • JayTN

            Not typically. The networks would love to find a way to get advertisers to pay attention to the Live +7 numbers, but those efforts have been largely unsuccessful. Although they are no longer posted here, the season-to-date numbers do include Live +3 or Live +7 numbers.

          • sands of time

            Thank you!

        • David

          Good point about the DVR as I am sure many people timeshift the DVR viewing of their soap to maybe Saturday or Sunday I tend to that a lot if I have stuff going on during the weekend so good point. I just remember when Friday was the cannot miss day for the soaps. I am sure that time is long gone with time shifts but it used to be Fridays and Mondays where the cant miss days

      • Andrew Hass

        General Hospital has mostly always done bad on Fridays for some reason.For example people may wait to Saturday or Sunday to watch Friday’s episode when they have more time.

  • [email protected]

    Really thought Days would be better than this,its on fire but i guess not in the ratings….lol Tim a DAYS fan of 42 years…..

    • TV&MovieBuff

      Many fans may be like me — so tired of one certain character. I saw spoilers for Eve’s return and found out they were going to be about that character in the beginning at least. And now I see spoilers for Kristen’s return and this character is even going to play a big part of that return too.

      I just do not see why in the world of soaps now that ever writer has at least one character they want to force feed down viewer’s throats until they get so sick of that character.

    • nyvoter

      Tim, Days has some really solid potential with their S/Ls but I feel they are losing the audience in certain ways. Of course, it all depends on who you like and who you don’t but, for me, I want to see authenticity and consistency. They are whitewashing Abby with everyone in town trying to protect her … we saw how it went down, Abby was a willing participant. And this sudden partnership between Sami and Kate … without any supportive background .. and when did Kate and Stefano get SOOOO close he would give her his proxy. And this nonsense of the proxy … that neither EJ nor Stefano can approach the B/D and have the vote revoked … of course, they can. And Sami … totally over the top with revenge. Everything is to extremes, rather than gradations. I’m still hoping that things will get begin to slow down from extremes (and sometimes ridiculous) to more fine tuning. I have hope that they can do it.

  • MattArmando

    Solid for Y&R.

    And GENERAL HOSPITAL continues to lead the pack in year-to-year overall improvement! Bravo, Cartini.

    • nyvoter

      Bravo, indeed, Matt … I love #GH … its pace, characters, storylines … and how they weave the characters in and out. I think “Cartini” are a great team; the hour always goes too fast for me.

    • Matilda

      GH leads in year to year growth because of how low the ratings were and with all that growth it still trails B&B by 800,000 viewers and Y&R by 1.6 million viewers. And GH is right now number three in 18-49. So yeah, Bravo Cartini. LOL!

      • nyvoter

        Matilda, using demos is not a good way to denigrate GH: Two weeks ago, it was No 1 in the 18-49 demos; it currently is No. 1 in the 18-34 demos. Furthermore, give or take a bit each week, there is a very close difference between B&B to Y&R (as No. 1) as there is between GH to B&B (as No. 2). Finally, absolutely, yes the reason for its stupendos grow year to year is that is ratings were low and now they are high. No problem in accepting that readily accurate defintion of growth success.

        • Matilda

          I didn’t denigrate GH on Demos, I actually think those demos mean close to nothing because there aren’t enough eyeballs there to make a dent in the advertising revenue. For daytime it is about total viewers and that is why my main point was that GH trails Y&R and B&B massively in total viewers. By 1.6 million and 800,000 this week.

          The reason I mentioned the demo is because that is what ABC uses to spin the numbers to detract from the massive gap in total viewers which is really the story.

          And just to your point about 18-34, it’s only 171,000 viewers this time and at best they get to around 220,000, which is where it was. That number of viewers means nothing to the revenue stream, it’s just too small a number to generate any real ad dollars, that’s why it’s just spin.

          • nyvoter

            IMO, these soaps are not in competition with each other. Historically, when previous soaps were cancelled, the remaining soaps did not visibly benefit; in actuality, all soaps have declined over the last five years because the audience that composed this genre is disappearing due to aging populations, different lifestyles, dramatic upswing in competition from sources outside the soap genre and a Nielsen ratings system that has not kept up with the different viewing possibilities, especially for daytime. I agree with you, the difference in the demos between all four soaps is not much; I would imagine advertisers look for any reason to lower their costs, however, so they would certainly argue demo drops if it works for them. What will matter in the end is the long-term view, which is why weekly ratings (clearly daily ratings) are just a piece of the puzzle. The difference in total viewers for #GH has been increasing in the long term. I compare its ratings to itself, not to other soaps, because that is how ABC reviews it. As for me, I enjoy GH based on its performance; that performance is not enhanced or reduced by how many total viewers behind YR and/or BB it might be for any given week. But since you are emphasizing it, I will note that the difference has been steadily declining. Whatever … it is not my barometer.

          • Matilda

            I use comparison in numbers to show the difference in the revenue that they can generate which is based on numbers. And that is what matters to the network.

            Talking about higher year to year growth is spin and has to be taken in context. GH may be 400,000 viewers from the same week last year, but that was a period when the show lost a good number of viewers from just a few months prior. The show then increased again to over 3 million viewers for a period and is now down from that.So the GH ratings story is not just one of growth but of gains and losses.

            But again, it goes back to the actual number. Right now at about 2.8 million viewers, averaging betwenn 2.7 and 2.8 million viewers for the last few months. Getting to 3 million for a couple of weeks when Stafford came on and then losing a bit after the bump.

            Is that number of 2.8 million or so a big win? Is it that spectacular for GH? The hour of Y&R generates a lot more revenue than the GH hour. The networks are in competition to generate revenue and sustain profitability.So in effect, the soaps are in competition with each other.

            People can talk about “growth” all they want, but it is about the actual numbers. I see no indication from the pattern of ratings gains and losses that GH is on a path to increase the current number in any significant way. The stunts are for short attention spans and have a short shelf life, then it’s back to reality.

            So if GH gets stays at 2.8 million or so viewers for the long haul, will that be good enough for Ben Sherwood and ABC to keep it on the air, or will they continue to search for a more cost effective alternative? GH take up an hour of ABC’s network schedule, the networks are in competition, therefore the soaps are in competition.

          • nyvoter

            Matlida, good luck … I will continue to enjoy General Hospital (with lots of other people), taking note of their continuing rising numbers and their excellent production … not to mention the praise “Cartini” and GH receive from their network executives. When and if it is cancelled, I will find something just as productive to do with my hour. Until then, the DVR is set … adios!!!

          • TV&MovieBuff

            Everyone always brings up Nielsen not keeping up with the different ways of viewing. People have to remember that Nielsen only keeps up with what the advertisers and networks pay them to keep up with. What Nielsen does is not about the popularity of a show. They are hired by advertisers to find out how many people are watching a show at a certain time so that advertisers know how much they are willing to pay to advertise on a certain show and how much the networks can charge them.

            Nielsen is not there to please the public who want to know how many total people watch the show. They are an agency hired for a specific purpose by the networks and advertisers. That is why Nielsen doesn’t freely give out the info they gather. They only do that for the networks and advertisers who hire them.

            Anyone else who wants to see the results have to pay to see them.

            Nielsen is collecting what the networks and advertising companies want them to collect. And right now they are still most interested in the television live and limited DVR viewing.

          • MattArmando

            Um, sorry, but DEMOS are the key ratings that advertisers care about. Specifically 18-34 & 18-49… GH is the #1 program in ALL of daytime (talk, game, soap) in Women 18-34, and has topped Y&R in Women 18-49 MULTIPLE times recently.

            Therefore, total viewers is completely irrelevant for the most part. In primetime AND daytime. It’s television logic that total viewers do not matter as much as key target demographics.

          • AJQ

            Just to weigh in here Matt, all you’re doing is repeating spin and headlines that you read. Demos are the most important in prime, not in daytime. Advertising is sold on a cost per thousand basis. You pay for how many people you are reaching, daytime does not deliver enough eyeballs in those younger demos to price their inventory based on them or generate enough revenue to sustain the show selling to those advertisers.

            Next time you watch GH do it without fast forwarding through the commercials. Who are the majority advertisers? How many of them are selling products that 18-34 year olds are buying? Are there a lot of 25 year olds buying menopause cream, cholesterol meds or products to help them for when they pee in their pants?

          • MattArmando

            18-49 is the key advertising demo in all of television. Fact.

          • AJQ

            I explain to you why it isn’t, instead of an explanation of why it is, you just say fact. You have no idea what you’re talking about, how ad time is purchased or the metrics that are used for pricing.
            18-49 is the key demo when applicable. Again, daytime shows don’t generate enough of an audience in that demo that they would be able to generate enough revenue based on that demo. That is a fact. You have no facts to back up your “fact.” I’ve actually been responsible for directing advertising dollars, hundreds of millions of them, but hey, you’re argument is very convincing, just saying fact,

          • nyvoter

            AJQ, let me preface before responding to your second paragraph: I respect your expertise that you referenced in a post below; I certainly can tell by your phraseology of the business being discussed … and the logic of how advertisements would work … that you know your business. Furthermore, I realize that the demo statistics of all four soaps are very small … logically daytime (soaps in particular) does not excite the youth and an older audience is patently obvious by the demos versus total viewers numbers. I did take your advice and let the commericals run on today’s episode of #Days (I will do the same with #GH but I usually view that in the evening after dinner). Clearly there were all the products for the older set that you mentioned; but I did also see ads for mothers (with toddlers), makeup (with younger women depicted, for what it is worth), toothpaste (as opposed to dentures, LOL), indigestion (which I guess is ageless … this person was middle-aged). The ratio seemed balanced. You can confirm this … but I am sure that the dollars paid for any advertising on daytime is considerably lower than primetime. I just laughed as I mentally enumerated the ads (probably the first time I have actually seen them in years) …. and wanted to share my “findings” with you. :)

          • AJQ

            That’s right, there are some advertisers in daytime that sell products that are targeted to people under 50, like some cosmetics, a company like Loreal for example. You are also absolutely correct that the dollars paid for advertising in daytime is considerably lower due to the audience quality, size and the fact that there is much more inventory, spots available, than the three hours of prime and therefore less competition for that inventory. The majority of advertisers are what is known as tonnage accounts, companies like P&G, General Mills, Kraft, buy time at the absolute lowest rates possible, buy a ton of inventory and hope most of the spots run.(The rates are so low that they sometimes get bumped). So when you see those cereal ads, diaper ads, toothpaste ads etc, they are part of a very large deal with the network to guarantee a large expenditure and commitment from the company and in return they get very low rates.
            Typical 18-49 advertisers that pay high ad rates, Movies, Auto etc, do not really buy time in daytime and if there is a spot here and there it is usually scarce and part of a larger overall deal with the network or a makegood for spots that didn’t run and the network needs to deliver the ratings points that were promised or refund the money.

            The overall point is that advertising in daytime is inexpensive, based on delivering eyeballs, which are mostly older, and for the most part package deals and tonnage accounts. Large advertisers that specifically target younger demos do not really buy time in daytime because the audience just isn’t there in any meaningful number. That’s not to say that some of the products in daytime don’t appeal to younger viewers, like diapers, but those companies pay rates that are so low, that they do not increase based on a few more or a few less viewers 18-34 or 18-49 and they will appear in daytime regardless.

          • nyvoter

            Very, very interesting, AJQ; it is amazing how what we take for granted is a very monitored and somewhat a deal- or bulk-oriented business. In short, daytime advertising is comparatively inexpensive due to less competition and also these “tonnage” accounts and package deals. It would also seem to me that since all of the daytime programming have fairly lower “eyeballs” compared to primetime shows they are probably all able to acquire these ad deals and inexpensive prices. Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge with us. :)

          • JayTN

            I absolutely love your first sentence. It has been my experience that most people (not all, but most) tend to just repeat “spin and headlines” from this site and others. Doing that doesn’t give a full and accurate picture. Thanks for your insights.

      • Andrew Hass

        Last year GH was in last place in total viewers and about 1,000 behind DOOL.Now this year GH is in 3rd place and 481,000 viewers above DOOL.Plus as you pointed out GH’s ratings were low last year but this year they are high.Which means over the last year viewers have started watching GH again.

  • Andrew Hass

    Well for 3 of the soaps it was good news.

  • TV&MovieBuff

    Glad to see Y&R recover some. Hate they were still down some in the demos but at least they didn’t hit another new low.

    • nyvoter

      This is a very positive move for Y&R in its demos; they were consistently hitting new lows and, at least for this week, they are holding the line. Every week will bring another story, but this is clearly good news this week for Y&R.

  • Myles Stevens

    Very happy with Y&R and B&B’s gains. They deserved them.

  • sands of time

    I see a lot of positive numbers for DAYS and no overwhelming negative numbers. I’m happy. Congrats to General Hospital, The Young and the Restless and The Bold and the Beautiful. May the fans enjoy their soaps for many years to come.

    • nyvoter

      Well stated, Sands ….

      • Matthew Place

        Thank God you clarified! I thought you had lost your mind too. There’s no hope for Sands and Vivien, but I believe most of us knew that already. No wonder Days is in the ratings basement. They’re too narrow-minded to see that Jen-Jen and Dr. Dull are on every “day” and driving the ratings down. WilSon is hardly ever on and have no SL. Sick posts. Days fans are nuts. Maybe that’s why the show is sinking. It’s enough to make me stop watching. I’ll never follow any posts by these two hate-mongers again! There is no excuse for these kinds of hateful posts. Period. BTW Did JayTN agree with them?

        • nyvoter

          I meant it as ironical that I was saying “well stated” long before these statements were made. I cannot imagine any soap … or any primetime serialized show … entertaining such a thought. The world is cruel enough … and statements are made to which we can have no control over sometimes… but scenes such as that would be beyond the pale. The last thing I want to see when I turn on my TV is such cruelty … and I like to think that we (the collective “we”) are gradually moving away from entertaining such thoughts. I do think, in a completely different vein, that Will and Sonny should be treated as any other married couple from this point going forward. They are part of legacy families and there are so many stories in which they can be involved. For instance, General Hospital (which by now everyone knows I love, LOL) has three gay characters right now and they are being told by way of a triangle …. and the emphasis is put on feelings and emotions, betrayal and missteps, as it would with any other triangle. Hopefully, we can see all soaps moving in that direction. :) PS: I totally agree with you about Jennifer/Daniel.

          • Matthew Place

            I’ve read your posts. Usually I agree with you, as I do with what you posed above. Yes, they should be treated as any other couple, but NOT mistreated (as Sands suggested) to the point that either of them is murdered because of hate. I will never compromise who I am for a TV show, any TV show.

          • sands of time

            My original comment was a suggestion for what “maybe” should happen. And the “maybe” is if DAYS does not want to write them as a regular soap couple with regular problems. I’m not one of those people complaining via email, telephone calls and written letters about Will and Sonny.

          • Matthew Place

            You are watering it down now. Stick to your original post. Your words mean something, they matter, people read them and sometimes form an opinion, sometimes of YOU. Sometimes words can incite people to do things they should NEVER do. Be careful what you say, but if you’re going to say it, then stand behind it and OWN it. I’d at least respect that, but I do not respect much from the posts you have been making of late. If Will and Sonny are getting all these emails, phone calls and letters as you say, then TPTB will make a decision to go in a different direction or write them off. I repeat murdering Will Horton is NOT the answer. Be honest, he were straight you would NEVER have suggested such a horrific SL! If you would the show so much, you really should stop trying to damage it more than it already is.

          • sands of time

            Please understand my comments are not based on hate. They are based on love for the show. If Will and Sonny are not going to be used in a regular way, why not have a Mathew Shepard type story. They made two movies about his life. It wasn’t to glorify what happened to him. It was to open peoples eyes to the horrors of mankind. Sure, some sick people may get a kick out of it, but others would be compelled to do everything in their power to fight against hatred, long before anything like that happens again.

          • JayTN

            I don’t know that people would be opposed to a “hate crime” story involving Will and/or Sonny. However, there is a big leap from a pale “hate crime” (that phrase may be an oxymoron, I know) such as being beaten up to the hard-core “hate crime” of lynching and immolation that you suggested.

          • sands of time

            Maybe not, but I’m glad you realized it was a suggestion and not a wish. What I wish for is characters to have story. There’s no need for characters to be on the show without story…unless it is of the consensus.

          • Matthew Place

            Didn’t you say “wish” before you edited your original post? BTW what is the difference between sating this is what I’d like to see happening and a wish for this to happen? Not much, huh? Don’t stumble over your own words. Stand behind them.

          • sands of time

            I never said “wish”. My only editing was to point out my very first post on the subject and the other post which was more detailed. It was a suggestion as an opposition to the languishment to Will and Sonny if they were not going to be used in a regular storyline. My “wish” is for them to have a regular storyline…not to be seen progressively less and then gone. Where’s the story?

          • Matthew Place

            There is a story, it’s just too subtle for you to grasp apparently. It’s low key and not over the top like you want. Maybe eventually they will get a “real” storyline as you say … or maybe they’ll be written off. Or maybe everyone will stop watching. Maybe Jen and Dr. Dull will be daytime’s last “real” supercouple! Maybe Days will become daytime’s No.1 show! Maybes take away from enjoying the show. I watch and (usually) say very little about Dannifer because I like Days and try to enjoy it as much as I can. I know it being around forever is another “maybe”.

          • Matthew Place

            I could not agree more.

          • nyvoter

            I think Jay stated my feelings below very aptly. The violence, cruelty and horrific scenes (not to mention the comments, in all directions that such a storyline would engender) would overwhelm any potential knowledge that could be imparted about such dire hate crimes. Certainly daytime soap genre could never, ever be trusted to embark upon such a task. I have seen “The Band Played On” so many times and every time I have been touched to the core of where we were and hopefully where we are moving toward. Let’s leave such deeply moving and personal emotions to masters such as that … why just not let Will and Sonny be subject to the same emotions as every other young married couple. Come on, Days, you can do it. :)

          • Matthew Place

            Murdering Will is NOT the answer. A hate crime where he survives is ONE thing but suggesting he be murdered by “haters” is where you stepped over a line that you should NEVER cross. The fact that you admit some viewers would get a “kick” out of it is a reason NOT to do it. EVER. The show cannot afford to alienate viewers further UNLESS cancellation is imminent — even for a few gleeful fans who would do a happy dance over seeing a kid murdered. If people want to see “real life” horrors, they only have to look around them. Kids are being murdered every day by people who claim they love them (and others, too) here in rural NC. This kind of sickness has to stop and putting such nonsense on a TV show, any show even a soap, is NOT an option; the writers are trying to be responsible with the gay SL and not incite nuts to do things in real life. As I said, a hate crime would be one thing, but having Will murdered would be unacceptable by most viewers (only a few, like you and your cheerleader Viv, would be fine with it).

          • Matthew Place

            No one should ever LOVE a TV show that much. Not so much that you a risk losing who you are … or should be. There should NOT be Matthew Shepard type story BECAUSE it actually happened and BECAUSE there are still people out there CAPABLE and MORE than willing to do this to another gay person (or others) again. Several shows have done these types of SLs (I won’t name them, but one nearly 40 years ago), and they have very little impact on people who feel that kind of hate towards another human being (if they had, would these kinds of thing still be happening?) It is better to show gay people as “real” people like Hollyoaks and Coronation Street do (and still among viewers of these shows there ARE haters who want the characters removed.) This is the REAL world, soaps are just role play. Note: Lynching and murdering a gay teen is NOT a PSA!

        • sands of time

          Apparently, most of the fans don’t want Well and Sonny to have a regular storyline. I’m fine with a regular storyline, but I would rather see a storyline to the extreme than no storyline at all. I have not lost my mind. You may want to tip-toe through the tulips, but I don’t…if it’s to DAYS detriment.

          • Matthew Place

            Most fans DON’T want WILL(or Sonny) murdered for any reason and esp NOT because they are gay! Just like we don’t want Abe murdered because he’s black. Theo because he’s autistic. Rafe because he’s Hispanic. Eric because he is religious or even Jen and Dr. Dull because they are boring!

        • vivien

          Sorry, I guess I just found Sands’ idea humorous .. how heavy-handed can DAYS get?! I would, of course, be appalled if it were an actual storyline, but I wouldn’t put it past them. They’ve trotted out lots of “hateful bigots” in the past 2 years, trotting out some “murderous bigots” would just be the next step in their hit-you-over-the-head agenda. And yeah, I have a “real life”, I’m a wife, a mother, and a devout Catholic. And I know lots of people who quit watching because of DAYS’ handling of this storyline, including my mom, after almost 50 years.

    • vivien

      I think DAYS is pretty good lately, but they have offended a lot of fans with 1) the in-your-face gay wedding 2) the ruination of Eric&Nicole 3) the ruination of Ejami. JMO. I’m still watching, I LOVE Sami&Kate!

      • vivien

        I mean, DAYS spent a whole week devoted to Will&Sonny, pulled out ALL the stops, but Ericole got ZIP, no wedding. Ejami, what a joke! If I were an Ejami fan, I’d be done.

        • sands of time

          I have a feeling that Ericole will become stronger than all the heavens and hells put together.

          • Matthew Place

            Nicole doesn’t deserve Eric. She’s a poor excuse for a human being. Period. He would be better off without her. He should return to the priesthood because that is ALL he wanted. If she really loved him, she would have wanted him to be happy, even if it meant letting him go. She is spoiled, selfish and not at all what anyone should aspire to be. She has NOT been reformed, so she is undeserving. I’m not judging her, her actions speak for themselves. If she is reformed, she will become dull and SLs will dry up. That’s what’s happening with WilSon. The writers need to loosen up for ALL characters and NOT just Will and Sonny. The storylines are stagnant with characters like Nicole doing almost the same SL over and over. If Nicole had done the right thing for the first time (probably) in her life and Eric had chosen her, then great. Right now their SL is a disaster! And WilSon is not to blame, the writers are!

          • sands of time

            I love Ericole. Eric’s struggle between the church and Nicole and Nicole’s struggle between good and bad equals a good storyline. Why not give Will and Sonny something to do? Why not give them imperfections?

          • Matthew Place

            Then why are people complaining that Nicole didn’t get her man? Or a wedding? LOL Maybe you should lose your cheerleader Viv! I stand by my post: It would be a good SL if Nicole could EVER do the right thing! Her struggle between good and evil seems to be one-sided! That’s why she doesn’t get her man and no wedding happened because that she cannot ever triumph over evil, so the struggle is …? I’m not sure Nicole could do the right thing if her life depended on it. Gee, maybe that’s a storyline! She needs to do something besides struggle and fail … miserably again and again. That too is stagnant and fans hate that as much as you hate WilSon being depicted as really good people who rarely err (but they do err, just not to your liking). That said, times have changed, we have to accept that and enjoy the soaps while they’re here. Even with WilSon being “stagnant” as you say, Days isn’t that bad … it’s actually a very good soap, but people have other options to watch these days (I chose to watch soaps, I don’t have to, and I presume this is true for you and pretty much everyone.)

          • vivien

            My biggest beef with DAYS and ALL the soaps is the lack of romance. They used to have love stories where you really rooted for the couples for a really long time! and the wedding was the culmination of all that waiting and longing for the fans. Pull-out-all-the-stops, make it as romantic as possible. Maybe some drama, but our couple would end up blissfully happily married and go off on their honeymoon. DAYS hadn’t had a wedding like that in a really long time, yet they gave one to Sonny&Will. Not because they’d earned it, but because they were gay. When is the last time DAYS spent a week-and-a-half on a wedding like that?! And most people didn’t really care, as shown by the low ratings. We wanted to see a bride and groom. We wanted the gorgeous wedding dress and the beautiful bridesmaids. But DAYS evidently already used up their irony-free wedding time on WilSon, so Ericole and Ejami (arguably DAYS’ most popular couple!) got the shaft!

          • sands of time

            I see your point, vivien. That was a short courtship between Will and Sonny that culminated in a wedding which could have alienated viewers that were wanting and not receiving the same for their favorites, but I’m sure we can agree that marriage is the kiss of death in soaps. I think it was a move to satisfy viewers for and against Will and Sonny. Traditionally, a star crossed courtship of 3 years would take place followed by a big wedding and kids. Will and Sonny were an item a short time and with a child and then the wedding in rapid succession. And now what? Was that a favor to anyone..I don’t think so. They went through it all and now are simply there. To me, it’s as if the writers got it over with as fast as they could and Ari is a way for them to be grounded from a regular soap life. I have never seen a soap baby as much as I’ve seen Ari! Baby and marriage…no love life…no excitement…not much of anything while having everything.

          • vivien

            a happy marriage is the kiss of death, but can’t we at least get a wedding? LOL That was always one of my favorite things on DAYS, the beautiful weddings. I’m a woman, so sue me! ;)

          • sands of time

            What was your favorite wedding? I’m not sure which one was mine…maybe Bo and Hope. I know my least favorite was the double wedding…Pete & Melissa and Mickey & Maggie…I think they stole each other’s thunder.

          • vivien

            Ohhh.. yes, Bo&Hope’s is one of the weddings I was thinking of. Kimberly&Shane’s traditional Roman Catholic wedding? Or Adrienne&Justin’s Greek Orthodox wedding IN GREECE?! Outstanding! My fave is probably Patch&Kayla’s wedding on the boat :) .. you already know which one was my least favorite :p

          • sands of time

            LOL…You’re going to be tarred and feathered!

          • Andrew Hass

            I agree.Like i said elsewhere the show had Will and Sonny get engaged in February and 2 months later they were married.I know because of story reasons the show needed Will and Sonny married before Nick and Gabi’s exits but they could have changed a few things.For example the show could have had Will and Sonny get married in May and have Nick get murdered by Gabi at the reception.Plus i think the lack of Will and Sonny in a good story isn’t helping Guy Wilson much because he’s not getting meaty material.

          • sands of time

            I agree!

          • sands of time

            I’m still loving Eric and Nicole! I have high hopes for Hope and Aiden and now I hear Kayla will be included! I am stoked about JJ and Paige…we were all young at one time!! John and Marlena could find their way back to each other! There’s a lot of promise there!!! Don’t forget Ben and Abby and Rafe and Tammi Sue..lol!! The big question is what will become of EJ and Sami? What about all those vixens…Eve, Theresa and Kristen? Can they be tamed?

          • vivien

            After yesterday’s episode, I am seeing a glimmer of hope for Ericole, glad DAYS didn’t just drop them. Like they have so many other couples. Hope&Aiden are cute, & I’m glad to hear Kayla will be getting a story (but ultimately I want Patch and Bo back!). I guess I’m just a romantic who believes in true love (married 26 years!) and I can’t root for couples who are here today and gone tomorrow.

        • Andrew Hass

          Yeah the show devoted a whole week to Will and Sonny’s wedding and i thought it was nice that they did it but there was no big build up to it either.Will and Sonny got engaged in February and 2 months later they got married.Plus the week of March 31 which had the wedding show lost 22,000 viewers from the previous week.Now that’s not a big loss but i think the show may have thought they would get gains that week.Plus the wedding only happened 3 months after Guy Wilson started appearing as Will.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            They really need to do something to spice up Will and Sonny. They are one of the most boring couples I have ever seen.

          • Andrew Hass

            I’m glad that Will and Sonny are together and that the show has a gay couple.However that could be one of the problems because there’s not much the show can do with them.I can’t see either Will or Sonny cheating on the other.I want the show to treat Will and Sonny like any other couple on the show but their hands might be tied in what they can do with them.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            I have no problem with them being tempted to cheat or even cheating. It has happened with so many other couples. I do not want to see a hate crime story or anything like that. There are so many ways they can go with it. But something needs to be done with them.

          • Andrew Hass

            Like i said i don’t think Will and Sonny would ever cheat on the other but being tempted to cheat is a whole other matter.Even happy couples can face temptation.from time to time.but cross that line.

          • JayTN

            The Will/Sonny situation is a familiar one. Writers cannot seem to come up with storylines for gay characters other than “coming out” stories or dealing with discrimination against them. I predicted months ago that Will & Sonny would become window dressing once coupled up, and it looks like that is exactly what has happened. In fact, I believe that both characters only appear together about once a week. One would think that they would be more involved since the new major storyline involves Sami, EJ and Abigail, but no.

            I would not be surprised to read soon that either Freddie Smith (Sonny) or Guy Wilson (Will) are departing “Days”. Personally, I think that “Days” needs a writing regime change. This time last year “Days” was challenging GH for third place, but now the gulf between the two continues to grow.

          • Andrew Hass

            I agree.Considering how many characters Will are connected to on the show he could be involved in a lot of stories.Plus i wouldn’t be surprised either if the show writes both Will and Sonny off in the next few months because i don’t see one leaving without the other.Also i might be beating a dead horse but i’m wondering if Chandler Massey knew the moment the show paired Will and Sonny up it limited both characters and that helped him decide to leave the show because i read that he knew for awhile that he was departing and even told Freddie Smith that in 2012.

          • sands of time

            I would like someone to commit a hate crime against Will and Sonny, resulting in the death of Will and Marlena awarded custody of the baby. Sonny leaves town and life goes on.

          • Matthew Place

            Homophobic MUCH?!!

          • sands of time

            I’m not homophobic at all. I would rather have something substantial to open a dialogue than just Will and Sonny taking off. Your reply just proves the point of why writers don’t know how to write for gay characters in soaps…because people get offended so easily. The writers are scared. Does watching horror movies make people sick? What is wrong with grabbing viewers by the throat with a story that is relevant? Personally, I have no problem with Will and Sonny, but the consensus is they are boring. They do not drive story, but they can make a difference. Sometimes I feel like I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t. What would you like to see happen?

          • Matthew Place

            Then you have no problem with a religious persecution SL where Jen is taken then hung from a tree, beaten and burned? Maybe teens could be stoned out of their minds of meth and she could intervene in their beating up a homeless person. How about someone targeting Abe for being black? Or Theo for being autistic? Or would that be different? Your argument is suspect because when blacks were added to soaps they WEREN’T the victims of lynchings, etc. I stand by my OP. Sick! The opinion of younger viewers and others is that Jen and Dr. Dan are DULL. I don’t see you saying anything about them, though! BTW Marlena needs to raise another kid because she’s done such a great job with her own, particularly Sami an Eric. LOL indeed!

          • Andrew Hass

            There is no problem with having a story that grabs viewers by their throats but there is a problem if the story turns viewers away instead.Which i think will happen if the show does a story with Will or Sonny that resembles the story that you suggested that resembles what happened to Matthew Shepherd.Yes Will and/or Sonny could suffer a hate crime but it doesn’t have to go as far as you want it to.

          • Matthew Place

            Some people DON’T get offended so easily. From my understanding, most people, gays included, have no problem with being depicted realistically, but yep, they ARE offended at being lynched, beaten, doused with gas and burned to death!!! Seriously, can you blame them?

          • sands of time

            People should be offended by my suggestion and realize it is extreme, but they should also be offended by the opposite end of that suggestion…the nothing happening for Will and Sonny. Do you see what happened by me suggesting such a thing? People, including you, were open to something along those lines without being so extreme…middle ground and still something. It’s as if the writers think they found the middle ground, but they have only found safety…safe is boring.

          • Matthew Place

            You assume too much. I was always open to a more realistic SL. That is why I watch Brit soaps, they are much more real than US soaps, showing working class families and not mostly just the ubber rich. I still say that the “safety net” you apply to WilSon also applies to Dannifer: The writers are having to create one preposterous plot after another to prop these two and now they’ve added Kassie D. to prop them. What a waste! If Dannifer were compatible, these plot endless devices would not be necessary. So there’s improvement for the show all around. Why don’t you look at the show as a whole? There’s LOTS of room for improvement, why just get stuck on WilSon? AFTER ALL, SAFE is BORING EQUALS DANNIFER TOO! (and I’m not screaming, it’s just for emphasis!) Dr. Dull will NOT end up with the “evil” Eve so it’s another predictable SL. You have posted some hateful things and most people DIDN’T call you out on them, but a few people did come forward and voice their opposition. That’s a good thing. I still say you’re better than this, and, if not, you can be. I wish you the best!

          • sands of time

            I like Jennifer and I like Daniel. I don’t root for them as a couple, but I do like the people causing trouble for them. They have a storyline…Will and Sonny do not.

          • Matthew Place

            Will and Sonny do have a storyline. It’s just a very subtle SL. They are starting a life together, just married, raising a child together, dealing with family and friends. In romance novels and even soaps, that’s a storyline, believe it or not. Even just two characters starting a life together is a storyline. You want a BIGGER storyline. That may happen eventually, if the writers choose to do so. But it’s the writers who write the show, NOT WilSon. Fans seem to have a hard time separating this when dealing with this gay couple in a way they don’t have when dealing with straight couples. I personally don’t like SLs where a couple has people interfering constantly as in Jen and Dan, if they were so compatible, it’d be character-driven and not plotted to death and propped with plot devices and gimmicks. WilSon is, at least, more organic in that sense. Some fans will NEVER be happy with WilSon NO matter what the writers do. That’s kind of my point. New is on: Teens just killed homeless people in horrific manner, overkill, we DON’T NEED these kinds of SLs on soaps! Real life is gruesome enough. There are TV shows for people who want that kind of story: It’s call the NEWS.

          • Matthew Place

            I finally get you. It’s dragging Days’ ratings down UNLESS it’s something YOU like. No need to explain. Your post pretty much explains itself and yet the world keeps spinning. Go figure!

          • Andrew Hass

            When Will and Gabi were settling custody they put it in writing that if anything happened too Gabi and Will Sonny would get Arianna Grace.Plus if the show ever decide to write Will and Sonny off i’d like to see them take Ari and just leave town.

          • vivien

            Yep, and is there anybody with half a brain who didn’t know something was going to happen to Gabi so Will&Sonny could raise the baby together. And be model parents. Take THAT “homophobes”!

          • sands of time

            They should show a realistic crime that demonstrates how cruel hate can be. Maybe a group of teens can hang will from a tree and bash him with baseball bats and poor gas on him and torch him.

          • vivien

            Sands! :o (lol)

          • Matthew Place

            YOU are TOO!!!

          • vivien

            And you’re too thin-skinned with no sense of (admittedly black) humor. C’mon, it’s funny to think of DAYS actually doing a storyline like this. As if it’s not already heavy-handed enough! Let’s bring in some MURDERING homophobes!

          • Matthew Place

            YOU are SICK!!!

          • sands of time

            Do you have any storyline suggestions? Or is it easier to suggest that you know what my motivation is? I’m not sick. I’m trying to contribute to the betterment of Will and Sonny’s legacy and DAYS.

          • Andrew Hass

            Maybe Will and/or Sonny could suffer a health crisis of some sort.That could be something they could deal with together.

          • Matthew Place

            I am relieved to hear you’re not as sick as your post suggested. BTW Will and Sonny should be shown as a regular couple, true, but it took blacks on soaps a while to be shown in a more realistic light too. The writers are being too cautious. From the people I know, gays will not be that easily offended by the couple being shown as a real couple struggling (Hollyoaks and other soaps do it all the time). But REAL on soaps has taken a back seat to SENSATIONAL, storylines have become overblown and over the top, but that’s unlikely to change. Younger viewers have grown up expecting stories to “challenge” them because that is all they’ve known. It’s not their fault, it’s just the way it is. Some of us remember when soaps were a bit more realistic, but those days are long gone and not likely to return. Your original suggestion of a hate-crime SL was a good one, but you went too far with the murder of Will Horton. If docu-soaps ever get a foot hold in daytime, we’ll have REAL soaps (that really don’t depict reality in any real sense), then us traditional soap fans can really complain!

          • Andrew Hass

            If that ever happened i can already see the fans revolting.

          • Matthew Place

            His wish for Will IS revolting!

          • sands of time

            Then they need to vanish. They are stagnant. Some people don’t want to see them. Some people want to see them, but not as a normal couple. Some people want them to be picture perfect. A lot f people are offended in many different ways. There’s too much to consider with them unless they just write as if they are like any other couple…I bet that’s the biggest problem…the advocates want them to be the perfect representatives…THIS IS A SOAP OPERA…that does not work!

          • Andrew Hass

            I agree that the show should treat Will and Sonny like any other couple.Even happy couples fight from time to time.I’m not saying the show has to break up Will and Sonny but just give them problems to deal with together or even apart.For example maybe Sonny develops some business problems but decides not to tell Will right away because he wants to handle it on his own.Plus Will could be so concerned about Arianna Grace and his writing career that he doesn’t see that Sonny is struggling.

          • nyvoter

            Good examples of easy S/Ls that could be developed. Now with the whole EJ debacle and Sami over-the-top revenge, perhaps they can weave Sami’s oldest child and his husband into the developments … it should not be so difficult and actually would be very natural. It certainly would be an improvement over the entire town rushing to Abby’s defense. Let’s hope there is something better for Will and/or Sonny coming up.

          • Matthew Place

            It isn’t about them being shown as any other couple. No one that I know has a problem with that. It is about your disgusting comments about lynching a young kid and beating him, then dousing him with gas and burning him to death. This is NOT acceptable because it happens in REAL life and people can be incited to commit such crimes by a TV show that depicts it as the endgame for a legacy character like Will Horton! It’s a bad idea. Period. Don’t you see that? Yes, it is a SOAP OPERA, and you need to understand that. It’s just a TV show. You need to stop living for the ratings and enjoy the show for what it is because one day, if we live long enough, the show and others may be long gone — and it won’t matter whether a gay couple was written as loving people or if a failed super-couple (straight-laced Jen and would-be cool guy Surfer Doc Dan) that would never be compatible in real life are shoved down our throats every day for years!

          • Matthew Place

            Again “they need to vanish” is offensive. Your comments belie your claims that you are not homophobic. If you said that about any other character(s), it would not be unacceptable, so it’s disgusting that you feel gay characters should vanish. Should blacks vanish? Abe and Maxine need to vanish? They add precious little to the show in SL? What about the religious characters, there are more of them than gays! What about older characters? They get very little airtime and not much story? Please take a second to think about what you’re actually saying. No one should vanish, surely you watch the news. I mean real news. Please take your own advice: IT’S JUST A SOAP. IT’S NOT WORTH COMPROMISING ANY INTEGRITY I MAY HAVE AS A HUMAN BEING.

          • sands of time

            I’m not saying they should vanish because they are gay. I’m saying they should vanish because they are a high profile couple without a storyline. I’m not against gays. I’m against the characters languishing.

          • Matthew Place

            Again, if Jen and Dr. Dan weren’t being propped with terrible plotting, they’d have no SL. What they have is boring. I hate seeing Kassie D. reduced to propping this misfire of a supercouple! Put blame where blame belongs. The writers!

          • Andrew Hass

            Just because Will and Sonny might be languishing now doesn’t mean their storyline can’t heat up.However the show might just be waiting for the story to put them in and let it happen naturally.For example maybe Will’s writing career starts getting hot and that could cause problems in his relationship with Sonny.Plus i’m sure Will and Sonny aren’t the only soap couple ever gay or straight that languished on the back burner for a bit

          • vivien

            DAYS has already been heavy-handed enough with the “hateful bigots”, (“T”, Herb, even Lucas got branded as a bigot for having ANY reservations at ALL) doing a “Laramie Project” story would be overkill (literally). We GET it, DAYS, anybody who disagrees with the gay lifestyle is a hateful bigot and potential murderer. RME

          • vivien

            I predicted this would happen, the WilSon story has gotten all these GLAAD awards and now Will&Sonny are gay icons. They CANNOT do anything wrong! They aren’t characters any more, they’re symbols. They have to have an ideal family and be the new Tom&Alice Horton. Heaven forbid, after all the hoopla surrounding the wedding, they EVER have any marital problems! Because DAYS is just heavy-handed like that. GH, on the other hand, doesn’t care if their gay characters are shown in a bad light. They may be too campy at times, but they’re more entertaining.

          • Matthew Place

            Jen and Dr. Dull are the new Alice & Tom. Hard to believe you EVEN watch the show? The show has become the Jen & Dr. Dan Show. They’re on EVERY day! Maybe if you actually watched, you’d know this.

          • vivien

            I’ve watched DAYS since the 70s, at my mother’s knee. We cried together at Doug/Julie/Addie. I love Jen & Jack. I hate Dr. Tan. I love Will, watched him grow up. Can’t stand him being gay, I’m sorry. It was out of the blue and completely agenda-driven. But I will always love him.

          • sands of time

            Dr. Tan…too funny! lol
            We do have different views, but I do understand everyone’s opinion should be taken into consideration.

          • vivien

            let me just say, I liked Daniel & Chloe, but ever since then, Daniel’s penchant for dating his patients has rubbed me the wrong way. Plus, I feel that Daniel is one of DAYS’ “pets” who is shoved in my face at the expense of characters I like more (like Jack!)

          • sands of time

            I agree, I like Jack way more, especially for Jennifer!

          • Sandy I

            Yeah get rid of Guy Wilson and get someone who can act. Also give Sonny his own s/l bring his brothers on. Give him something to do other than be Will’s sidekick

          • Andrew Hass

            My theory is that if the show decides to let Guy Wilson go they might do the same for Freddie Smith and write Will and Sonny off.Plus if they try to replace Guy Wilson some people might think the show has realized they made a mistake letting Chandler Massey go so early and the show might not want it to look like they made a mistake.

        • Matthew Place

          And they’ve spent “years” devoted to making a horrible pairing a supercouple: Jen-Jen and Dr. Dull!

          • vivien

            I hate them too! Especially Dr. Perv

      • Matthew Place

        Stop blaming a gay couple for what the writers ARE doing. That’s what makes it HATEFUL. You should be blaming the people who create the stories, not a couple who have NOTHING to do with what the writers choose to write. Nicole is a horrible excuse for a human being, she always has been. Even Dull Eric deserves better, the priesthood would be better for him than that lying piece of nothingness called Nicole. Kate is not a NICE person. Sami is all over the place. These are horrible examples of “GOOD” people. Please do NOT model yourself on these characters. No one should EVER be that desperate! That said, the writers are writing the show NOT Will and Sonny, the blame needs to be placed where it belongs. Most of the SLs on Days need to be tossed on the scrap heap … too much trying to please everyone and it’s NOT just WilSon fans they’re trying to please! Ever since TPTB realized that the show was big with conservative viewers, the writing has gone into the spin cycle permanently, maybe unintentionally. Maybe not. Write a good show, stop trying to write “to” your audience. That’s insulting and worse.

        • vivien

          your defensiveness about WilSon is exactly why DAYS’ hands are tied in regards to story for them. I also mentioned Ericole and Ejami. Where’s the accusations of hate regarding them?! Face it, people get hysterical when anything negative is said about WilSon.

        • sands of time

          Right! They are all living soap lives, whom we should not look up to. Will and Sonny are not living a regular soap life. By messing up their lives a little, they would be seen as anyone else. You say those characters “are horrible examples of “GOOD”people”. That’s what the problem is: You feel the need to have Will and Sonny be good examples. Why, because they’re gay? Living regular, messed up soap lives is the better route because they are characters that the masses will identify with more favoratively. They are characters, not people. What about all those viewers that have not formed an opinion about gays? Don’t you think they can start to perceive that DAYS is sending the message that all straights are bad people and all gays are good people? A person can be good, but still make mistakes. Will and Sonny can be more endearing by leading SOAP lives.

  • TV&MovieBuff

    B&B just keeps getting closer and closer to Y&R in total viewers. I would love to see them beat Y&R at least once. Maybe teach Sony and CBS that changes in the writing needs to really be done. As much as B&B repeats some things over and over, and focus too much on the same characters at times at the neglect of others — one thing I can count on at B&B is that characters are going to be written true to themselves. I have never watched a storyline on B&B and thought that a certain character wouldn’t ever do that. That is what I could always count on when Y&R was written by Wm. Bell and his associates.

    • RobNYC

      I am loving B & B and agree it would teach Sony a good lesson if they overtook Y & R. I would like to see them do so by their success and not Y & R s failure because I still have hope that one day they will have a good writing team again and both shows stay on top. Maybe as you said if B&B beats Y& R Sony will put the bells back in charge.

      • Myles Stevens

        As long as one particular Bell stays far, far away…

      • JayTN

        There aren’t too many Bells left. William Sr. is gone and his wife Lee Phillip was never actually credited as a writer (though she did help to inspire some Y&R storylines). Son William Jr. is engaged on the business end of Y&R/B&B. Daughter Lauralee is an actress. That just leaves Bradley Bell, Maria Arena Bell (Bill Jr’s wife) and Colleen Bell (Bradley’s wife). Colleen Bell, who is credited as a producer on B&B was recently nominated as US Ambassador to Hungary.

        • nyvoter

          I always love your informative posts, Jay :) Congratulations to Ms. C Bell on her nomination, of which I had no idea.

    • Andrew Hass

      Right now Y&R is 691,000 viewers ahead of B&B.I think if B&B gets within 300,000 or so of Y&R or if Y&R dips below 4 million for a week then i think Sony might step in before it gets worse.

    • Myles Stevens

      Oh I disagree about B&B always being true-to-character. Brad Bell is the king of overnight inexplicable personality transplants (Caroline, Maya, Quinn among others).

      Y&R’s writing isn’t perfect but I definitely wouldn’t call it plot-driven in the way that the LML/MAB years were. IMO, Shelly Altman is a keeper. She did a fine job on her own before Passanante joined her. Not that I think Altman should be sole HW – she doesn’t have the experience at this stage. But you can tell she ‘gets it’. She just needs a better partner than Passanante. Altman and Kay Alden would be a dream team.

      • TV&MovieBuff

        Altman had the benefit of finishing up stuff that Griffith had already set into motion. So just because it was so short I can’t even judge her on that one.

        • Myles Stevens

          Shelly wrote the Delia story herself, per her own admission, and did a great job with it. She also gave us some great Jill/Hilary stuff and brought Devon to the forefront after 10 years of him being treated as a token. There were definitely good things under Shelly’s brief solo run that can’t be attributed to Josh Griffith.

      • NoThanks

        I would pay money, really good money, to have some “plot-driven” s/l’s or just ANY s/l at all that is remotely interesting on Y&R. I have never seen such a boring, dreary mess anywhere ever. Same conversations over and over and over with the focus on characters that shouldn’t even exist like Dullen and Avery. It deserves cancellation.

    • Myles Stevens

      I think B&B could benefit greatly from Patrick Mulcahey being elevated to head writer with Brad retaining his position as EP. Brad lost steam as a writer many years ago.

      • TV&MovieBuff

        B&B has 2 of the best script writers in the business (Patrick Mulcahey & Michele Val Jean). They need to keep them there. Brad Bell has Michael Minnis as a co-headwriter. He and Kay Alden both used to serve in that position but after she retired it is just Minnis. Mulcahey serves as a story consultant as well as script writer.

        • Myles Stevens

          Well I wish Brad would hand the writing reins over to SOMEONE better. Someone who wouldn’t just repeat the same coma-inducing triangles over and over again.

  • RobNYC

    Congratulations to all the shows. I am glad Y & R has stopped sinking and B & B is becoming a powerhouse in its own right.

  • Derrick

    Congrats CBS especially Y&R which had me worried! Crazy Quinn really UPPED the ratings Mon & Tues for B&B, congrats B&B

  • don

    Maybe Y&R are wrapping up some storylines that had been there for long and they had to close that and go to another direction with the show it was about time now they have to deal with the adam newman situation find at least an actor who have the same acting abililty as Mr Muhney that would be find and wrap up the the hit and run storyline for good and and now that there is new phyllis i would love to see a triangle btwn billy phyllis and jack to see how he would react learning that billy and phyllis had sex together to spice things up a bit.

  • don

    Wrap up current storylines and for sure ratings will go up so i am glad that they begin to realize that.

  • nyvoter

    General Hospital continues to be an entertainment success for me. And I sincerely hope that everyone else has that kind of experience with the soap(s) they watch. Really, that is all it should be about …

  • nyvoter

    Right now, B&B is 815,000 total viewers ahead of #GH and 691,000 total viewers behind Y&R. Every week it remains fairly balanced … the amount of total viewers that would bestow on B&B the No. 1 position and #GH the No. 2 slot. Chances are that the numbering is staying exactly where it is, LOL … but it is interesting, nonetheless, at least to me. :)

    • Andrew Hass

      Plus GH is 581,000 ahead of DOOL for 3rd place.So i also think for the foreseeable future at least that 4 will stay where they are

  • don

    I believe in future storylines phyllis could hook up with billy to get back at jack for sleeping with kelly and would create turmoil in jack and billy’s life. I think Gina Tognoni and Burgess Jenkins would have good chemestry on screen and that the producers could explore they could paired them together to have some competition btwn jack and billy brother vs brother

  • http://unknown.com Bexx

    It looks like business as usual around here.

    • sands of time

      Am I “the business as usual”…as in…being a troublemaker causing unrest, a troll, an it?

      • Matthew Place

        Wall, thy name is Sands. Condition? Denial. Conclusion: Why bother?!

        • sands of time

          Bexx has accused me of those things many times over. It’s clear to see I’m being baited, just as I was before I mentioned Will and Sonny. I may have to focus on Y&R…

          BTW, I’m constantly having a non responsive page notice.

          • Matthew Place

            Wow! Just wow. Like you need bait! It really is all about you. The world spins around its center: Sands. Fool yourself. We will not suffer fools. Spin it anyway you like!

          • sands of time

            No, I don’t think it’s all about me and I’m sorry for my insensitive comments. Insensitive..yes. Homophobic…no.

          • Matthew Place

            That’s a start. Very good. Now you have something to build on. Gay people are not really any different than anyone else. That is the hardest thing for people to accept, but it’s true. We all suffer the human condition, regardless of what life has in store for us. No one is exempt. Glad you’re not homophobic.

        • http://unknown.com Bexx

          It appears a guilty conscience are in play here. I’m definitely not surprised to see another homophobic rant from that troll.

          • sands of time

            No, not a guilty conscience…You’re not fooling anyone. I’m not homophobic for suggesting a homophobic storyline. And I’m not homophobic.

          • Matthew Place

            Denial times infinity!!!

          • sands of time

            You don’t know me at all. I’m not the one who wants Will and Sonny to lay low and fade away.

          • Matthew Place

            Then someone is impersonating you. Maybe your evil twin? Hmmm, nope that only happens on soaps! Search me. You’re on your own.

          • Andrew Hass

            I don’t think you’re homophobic and i don’t have a problem with the show doing doing a homophobic storyline with Will and Sonny.However my issue is that you wanted a homophobic storyline that was too extreme for my taste.

          • sands of time

            Actually, I didn’t. I wanted a compromise. I asked for more, knowing I would get what I wanted…people to accept them in a storyline as more than filler.

  • nyvoter

    On the topic of “Days” in general, the characters I find most boring (and annoying) are the “good” people in Salem: Jennifer (at the top of the list); her sainted daughter (except when she was stepping into a shower with the town pariah from which she has now automatically been exonnerated); Daniel (although at times his ridiculous expressions add a touch of humor for me, especially if he is not with Jennifer); the repeated scenes of concerned Dannifer supporters as they discuss at length why Dannifer belong together (if they are separated) or how thrilled they are that Dannifer have been reunited; the over-the-top EJ hate which extends to everyone in Salem who is not a direct family member. Now, I have only became a Days viewer since May 2013 so I readily admit there may be subtleties of which I am not aware … but that self-righteous goodness (which is constantly being shoved down our throat) is the most boring and annoying aspect on this soap. Fortunately I utilize the FF bottom as necessary. And, for the record, it is not authentic goodness that I am belittling at all (I admire that subtle quality so much) … rather it is how the term is readily and inaccurately defined.

    • JayTN

      In regards to Jennifer, I wonder if Melissa Reeves plays any role in the what the character does or says. I believe that Reeves has made some public comments in the past that allude to her being rather conservative (by Hollywood standards). If that is the case, perhaps Reeves has told the writers in no uncertain terms that she would play a character who did not exhibit “moral” qualities. There is so much potential with the character of Jennifer Horton/Deveraux, but for some reason the writers refuse to give her any typical soap opera storylines…opting instead to turn the character into a modern day saint.

      • sands of time

        I do know Melissa Reeves has said suspect things in the past. As for Jennifer, I think it’s simply living up to Alice’s standards, which I don’t mind. Jennifer is a victim more than ever before…Is that a result of the performer’s past conduct? She is developing a backbone. If anyone says they didn’t like the Sami ripping into Abby and Jennifer scenes, they’re most likely lying. Her acting skills are top notch!

    • Matthew Place

      I agree. I also get the Daniel humor. LOL

  • sands of time

    Gee, I’m no longer going to have much to say.

    • Matthew Place

      Of course you will.

      • sands of time

        I have 666 usernames, LOL!

        • Matthew Place

          LOL!

        • Sandsoftimeisajackass

          Sure you have lots of usernames. I know you were i love sands of time, passionqueenisapsycho, sands of time boyfriend. Sands of time you are a lowlife loser who doesn’t know what they are saying on here. You are not a grown man. You need help very badly.

          • sands of time

            My 666 usernames reply was a joke. Why would I call myself sandsoftimeisajackass? My only Disqus username is sands of time.

          • Sandsoftimeisajackass

            Whatever i know who you are. You just don’t want your friends to know who you really are. I know that you are those usernames. It makes no sense to act like a different person on here then on the celeb dirty laundry posts. I don’t believe in your lies. You are lying on here to cover up your ass. Sands of time you are a stalker who is obsessed with me. I am not obsessed with you i never was. You need psychological help. You use so many usernames to make my life a living help by calling me names. You are a sick pervert who thinks about sex so many times. Why would i want to date a big black man when i could date other races. You don’t want your friends to know of what you done on celeb dirty laundry posts. You should come clean of what you done. Guys are the ones who bang themselves not girls you idiot. Your mind is very shallow and you don’t know what you are saying on here.

  • sands of time

    I’ve always wanted a storyline involving Eric & Nicole and Will & Sonny. I think it would be an interesting dynamic, considering Eric is a man of faith and Will is his nephew and Nicole is the enemy of Will’s mom, Sami. Maybe Will’s writing job will merge with Nicole’s reporting job. That could be a winning combo!

    • sands of time

      And because Sonny pulled strings to get Will the job, Victor wants something in return. Sonny has to make a deal…

      • Andrew Hass

        I’m sure the fact that Victor may have arranged for Will to get that job is going to come out sooner or later and maybe cause problems between Will and Sonny.

        • nyvoter

          Yep, there goes a potential WilSon storyline. :)

      • nyvoter

        Yep, there you go … that’s a very good potential WilSon storyline

      • Sandsoftimeisajackass

        sands of time is a faggot who likes Sonny and Will. Sands of time wants to bang Will and Sonny on the show.

        • Andrew Hass

          IMO that remark is uncalled for.It’s one you don’t like Sands Of Time’s comments but it’s quite another thing to attack him personally.

          • sands of time

            Thank you, but you should forget about any reasoning with who really is: PassionQueen77, a celebrity dirty laundry poster. I made the mistake of correcting her. Maybe I’m getting a dose of my own medicine. I’m just sorry she followed me and now everybody will think I’m an angel…lol

          • Sandsoftimeisajackass

            Whatever Sands of time is a psychological liar who knows what he did to me though the days of our lives post. Sands of time is a stalker. He has been calling me names everyday. Use your brain if you have one sands of time. Girls don’t bang themselves men do you nasty sonabitch. Sands of time i am not obsessed with you. It is the other way around. You are obsessed with me by calling me names since from May. Get a grip and get out of here. Sands of time you are a loser who needs help. I am PassionQueen77 so what big deal. Sands of time you are passionqueenisapsycho, i love sands of time, sands of time boyfriend. You need help. Your brain is very shallow. You got busted good for you……

          • sands of time

            I don’t know rather to laugh or cry. This is surreal. Someone has pulled the wool over your eyes, but not me. I can’t even post there because of your crazy posts. Go after the posters with the other names. Are you all those other names? I know I’m not. I’m only happy to use sands of time. I don’t need to hide behind phony names and I don’t curse and call people names and I would never treat a woman the way you say you were treated. I have said things that angered some people, but not the things you are accusing me of. Attack me for being sands of time…for any other name, you have the wrong person. I’m not too upset because this is some kind of weird karma…it’s humbling…thank you, if that makes sense.

          • Sandsoftimeisajackass

            I will believe you for now that you are not sands of time boyfriend, i love sands of time and passionqueenisapsycho. Someone other there is using your usernames. They are being obsessed with your username. You seem very honest on here about days of our lives. You can use sands of time username if you want. I can’t use passionqueen77 that often on here because i have a stalker on my butt. I just hope that the name calling would stop for good. Maybe i would use mysterious888 someday.

          • Sandsoftimeisajackass

            I have lots of reasons to attack sands of time. Sands of time has so many usernames to call me names almost everyday. First he said i should bang myself though the soap opera post. Why would i want to bang myself if i don’t have a dick you moron sands of time. Sands of time get out of here you are not wanted here. All you wanted to do is call me names everyday for stupidness. hahahahaha you got busted buddy. Andrew what i am saying is that your friend cannot be trusted. He is a loser and total jackass who needs psychological help.

        • sands of time

          I wish, as I’m sure many do, that you would not curse the way you do. Attack me all you want, but stop cursing. Most people on this forum do not need to be exposed to it.

          • PassionQueen77

            Ok i will stop cursing. I was mistaken for you as being those other usernames. Sands of time is not gay and he was never was. I just got sidetrack of what was going on. I love sands of time is a sad delusional puppy who needs help. He kept bothering me since from May. I apologized to you sands of time for giving you a hard time on celeb dirty laundry. You can comment on celeb dirty laundry posts if you want to. The coast is clear about what was going on on here. I love sands of time will be getting his own dose of his own medicine. Don’t be scared of what i been trying to tell him on there. I love sands of time is trying act like he is your boyfriend but he is not. Sands of time is not gay and never he was. This would be the last week i will be arguing with i love sands of time. He is learning the truth that you don’t want him as your boyfriend hahahahaha. I am very sorry for the pain i caused you sands of time. Can you forgive me?.

          • sands of time

            Yes, but I have to lay low for a while because someone is stalking me.

          • PassionQueen77

            Oh ok. Well i will stick up for you against i love sands of time. He thinks that you are gay which you are not. That guy is sick so don’t worry about it.

    • Matthew Place

      Very good, Sands. The writers should be thinking this way too.

    • Sandsoftimeisajackass

      That would be a dumb idea for Will to be part of Nicole reporting job. Nicole is a manipulative bitch and she doesn’t deserve a second chance at love with Eric. Why should Eric be with a woman who destroy his evidence so he could be with her. That is dumb. Eric should be moving on with his life not to be with hooking up with this witch. Sands of time i know who you are already. You are passionqueenisapsycho, sandsoftimeboyfriend, i love sands of time. Your opinion of this show is so cross minded. You don’t know what you are saying. Someone needs to go back to school and learn what to say to people. That person is you. You are a lowlife sonabitch who can’t get it through there goddamn brain that your comments are so dumb on here.

      • sands of time

        My only Disqus username is: sands of time. I have no control over the various forms of my username. Those people are just playing games with you.

        • Sandsoftimeisajackass

          You are lying. I know you were those usernames. You just don’t want to get caught on here whatever. You are passionqueenisapsycho, sands of time boyfriend, i love sands of time. I love sands of time has been bothering me with the name calling since from May. It is annoying and it needs to stop. Maybe someone is obsessed with your username. You have 666 usernames you are not lying about that. I know who you are already. Stop lying to me and come clean on here and prove who you really are. I love sands of time is a stalker and you are that person.

          • sands of time

            I would not change my name for anything. It’s a great name for a DAYS fan. Why are you going by sandsoftimeisajackass when you are really PassionQueen77? You’re the name changer, not me. Anyway, maybe you’re more suited for celebrity dirty laundry. We don’t play name games here.

          • Sandsoftimeisajackass

            Is that all you got you suck. I don’t need to tell you why go by this username. My PassionQueen77 username has been harassed by i love sands of time. i know who you really are.

          • sands of time

            Then wouldn’t I love sands of time know who you are by going after that person and admitting who you are? I’m not that into myself where I would go by the name…I love sands of time. It’s you or someone else and I’m no longer going to air your celebrity dirty laundry on this forum. You should complain to the moderators.

          • PassionQueen77

            i complain to the moderators about what happened and they didn’t do anything about it. I just want the name calling and the threats to stop. Sure i would talk to you as PassionQueen77. Sandsoftimeisajackass username i been using was to piss off i love sands of time. He is so obsessed with me by calling me names. I will believe that you weren’t those other names. Someone is obsessed with your username. Sands of time you were telling the truth all this time.

          • Andrew Hass

            Unless you have proof that Sands Of Time are using other usernames i don’t think you should say it.

    • Andrew Hass

      I do think it would be an interesting twist if Nicole and Will were forced to work together.Maybe they both go after the same story and then team up along the way.However once that is over they decide they like working together and continue their partnership.Plus it could cause conflict with other characters on the show too.For example they could uncover a scandal involving Titan and that could cause problems.

      • sands of time

        The problems could stem from Sonny being involved in his great uncle Victor’s shady dealings as payment for the job will received!

        • Andrew Hass

          I don’t see Sonny getting involved with any of Victor’s deals that might be shady or even possibly illegal at least not knowingly.However i could see Victor asking Sonny if he could borrow the club for a night for some reason and Sonny agreeing not knowing Victor is planning to do something shady there.Plus here’s another story idea.Now that Sami is running DiMera Enterprises.Maybe she confides in Will about something involving a business deal or something who in turn tells Sonny.However then Sonny accidentally reveals it to Victor who uses the info for his own greed.Then Will could accuse Sonny of betraying his confidence and trust.

  • Yuri

    B&B was really high on Monday because of Crazy Quinn.

    They really need to keep Quinn in the main storyline because the other stuff is so boring. Quinn brings in the ratings just like Sheila Carter.

  • sands of time

    Lord help me…the devil has come home.

  • Sandsoftimeisajackass

    sands of time has no friends and all he wanted to do is make my life a living hell. His brain size is just like an egg that is it. He wants to act like he hasn’t said those things to me though celeb dirty laundry post but he is lying. He needs help very badly.

  • sands of time

    I know the names that will be getting a lot of hits…LOL! Just don’t follow.

  • http://unknown.com Bexx

    No surprise to see such level of ignorance following certain people.