Ratings: More Lows For DAYS

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Ratings Report for the Week of July 24-28, 2017

 

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Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings

(Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)

 

Total Viewers
1. Y&R 4,397,000 (-61,000/-228,000)
2. B&B 3,348,000 (-128,000/-339,000)
3. GH 2,436,000 (+77,000/-241,000)
4. DAYS 1,976,000 (+1,000/-212,000)

 

Households
1. Y&R 3.17/11 (-.03/-.19)
2. B&B 2.41/8 (-.06/-.29)
3. GH 1.78/6 (+.09/-.24)
4. DAYS 1.46/5 (-.01/-.18) <—— ties low (7th straight week) *

* Rounded to 1.5

 

Women 18-49 Viewers
1. Y&R 499,000 (-18,000/-94,000)
2. B&B 396,000 (-22,000/-81,000)
3. GH 379,000 (+15,000/-48,000)
4. DAYS 282,000 (-8,000/-69,000) <—— new low (2nd straight week) *

* Previous low: 290,000 (July 17-21, 2017)

 

Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 0.77/7 (-.03/-.16)
2. B&B 0.61/5 (-.04/-.14) <—— ties low **
3. GH 0.59/5 (+.03/-.08) <—— ties low (13th straight week) **
4. DAYS 0.44/4 (-.01/-.11) <—— new low ***

** Rounded to 0.6
*** Rounded to 0.4

Women 18-34 Viewers
1. Y&R 109,000 (-3,000/-24,000)
2. B&B 96,000 (+2,000/-17,000)
3. GH 88,000 (+3,000/-28,000)
4. DAYS 48,000 (-2,000/-41,000) <—— new low (2nd straight week) *

* Previous low: 50,000 (July 17-21, 2017)

 

Women 18-34 Rating
1. Y&R 0.31 (-.01/-.08) <—— ties low (2nd straight week) *
2. B&B 0.28 (+.01/-.05)
3. GH 0.25 (same/-.09)
4. DAYS 0.14 (-.01/-.12) <—— new low (21th straight week) **

* Rounded to 0.3
** Rounded to 0.1

 

Women 25-54 Viewers
1. Y&R 782,000 (-41,000/-81,000)
2. B&B 621,000 (-25,000/-105,000)
3. GH 555,000 (+35,000/-57,000)
4. DAYS 388,000 (+1,000/-78,000)

 

Women 25-54 Rating
1. Y&R 1.28 (-.07/-.15)
2. B&B 1.02 (-.04/-.18)
3. GH 0.91 (+.06/-.11)
4 DAYS 0.64 (+.01/-.13)

 

Day-To-Day Ratings – HH/Total Viewers

B&B
Monday: 2.41/3,463,000
Tuesday: 2.40/3,262,000
Wednesday: 2.39/3,299,000
Thursday: 2.48/3,431,000
Friday: 2.37/3,298,000

DAYS
Monday: 1.44/1,930,000
Tuesday: 1.49/1,994,000
Wednesday: 1.50/2,014,000
Thursday: 1.46/1,960,000
Friday: 1.44/1,980,000

GH
Monday: 1.72/2,360,000
Tuesday: 1.79/2,380,000
Wednesday: 1.86/2,587,000
Thursday: 1.76/2,419,000
Friday: 1.77/2,419,000

Y&R
Monday: 3.16/4,400,000
Tuesday: 3.23/4,440,000
Wednesday: 3.18/4,483,000
Thursday: 3.16/4,313,000
Friday: 3.12/4,350,000

 

Ratings Archive

 

 

  • John Dylan Valdez

    GH had a good week

  • Keanna

    Days: It’s going to take time for Ron to turn things around. Yes, he’s wrapping up Dena’s messes but to me, he’s done a complete 180.

    GH: It’s beyond horrible right now, and it’s fitting that Sam shooting Sonny and kicking him into the pit, which ended up being funny, got the highest rating. Sorry that’s not a good week

    • Salem Spectator

      The numbers may never rise, but I’m having a blast watching DOOL!

      • Keanna

        With all of the good buzz and returns, yes it will, just going to take time

    • Eileen

      I think a lot of people tuned in to see if Sonny would finally buy the farm – there was an incorrect rumor going around on some sites that MB was leaving. I don’t mind him so much, just preferred the days when he was a part of the show not the whole show. I can’t watch the CarSon show and Steve Burton returning is especially not going to get me back. Tracy is missed!

  • Lola The Dog

    Good week for GH. I am loving it right now. Steve Burton returns this September!

  • Michael Taylor

    How’s Y&R doing? I heard it’s still below last year’s ratings.

    • robert

      it’s way below last years numbers

  • poordays

    Maybe Dena Higley’s (ex writer of Days) fans went with her when her work officially ended.

    • BoomBoomBoomerang!

      BOTH of them?!!

      • poordays

        Well what i meant to say was that perhaps some of Higley’s fans stopped watching when her work on Days was finished. Thus, there is a new low about a week after her work was officially done with. I know many people that liked her work. I also do recall reading words of support from some fans and sadness when it was announced that she was fired from Days months ago on social media sites. They may have decided to stop watching.

        • BoomBoomBoomerang!

          Wow. I’m stunned she had fans. Boggles the mind. But stranger things are happening, so you never know.

  • jakie

    Many parts of the country was going through a major heat wave during this weeks ratings. I guess people did not stay home or found other things to watch.

    • Eileen

      Lame rationale. Most people have AC nowadays and would more than likely stay inside. I don’t think the weather had an impact at all. These ratings have been in the toilet for a long time and just getting worse.

      • TV&MovieBuff

        No a lot of people are actually taking vacations before school starts back, spending time in the pool to keep cool, and other outdoor activities. Thus why summer has been hit or miss for ratings for quite a while now. And the fact that they hit the DVR button or seek out other ways to watch now, really helps them to enjoy the sunshine and outdoors and watch their show later.

        • Eileen

          Whatever. It is still a lame excuse for bad ratings. I guess in December it will be it was so cold people stayed in bed!!

          • TV&MovieBuff

            No it won’t because it is a proven thing that often ratings go up in the winter esp. when it is too cold for people to get out and they always go up when big snow storms happen. I am not saying that weather is the total reason for ratings, but it is not just an excuse when it happens over and over the last several years with the ratings. The weather effects them. But I will throw in that if the shows were offering more people would make time in their schedule to watch them. None of the shows are offering enough for people to do that right now. When the shows are good, people will arrange their activities around them and not the other way around.

  • Pete Ra

    What Days needs is a jolt to get eyeballs back. Hopefully when Sami returns.

    • Mikey

      They had lots of eyeballs looking on before the anniversary massacre. Will, Sonny, Eric, Aiden, Nicole,Clyde, Ben, Daniel, Paul, and the youngsters Ciara,Theo and Chase. Salem felt rejuvenated. Every day feels like backwards country now. I feel my age when I’m watching and that’s not easy.

      • amy

        Not true..the anniversary is the only time they got some ratings up..and it was because of the anniversary event/occasion and some short returns..before and after that ratings fell again..

        • Mikey

          Didn’t Days have good ratings in the 2015 summer before the dark knight Joshua and Ken’s best friend Dena came on board? I was seeing about 2.5m households and near 450thou 18 to 49ers. handed to them by Gary and Christopher. If the anniversary got some ratings to look even spiffier for a month or bit more for Joshua and Dena it’s because they were given the grace of starting at an acceptable place because Gary and Christopher had their brains on and were looking at the future for young viewers. After the smoke from the massacre of the young and new characters thinned out, they had nothing to be proud of and the victimized fans followed their victimized characters out the door and over the hill. Dena didn’t pass Ron a shiny ruby baton like Gary and Christopher passed her. Dena passed Ron a stick of dynamite with less that 2m households and less than 300thou 18-49ers stamped on it. Ron’s short old fogy returns should be shining up a show that’s already acceptable but problem is the show isn’t acceptable because all that Gary and Christopher constructed was torn down 2 years ago. Dena left Ron a lot of lumps of coal and the ratings don’t lie about anything.

          • realitycheck

            Tomlin and co were NOT BETTER than Dena Higley..ALL sucked big time, end of story.

          • Mikey

            Ratings don’t lie about anything. Tomin and co got better ratings for Days than Dena Higley. End of story.

          • realitycheck

            It is not true at all..Ratings were better during 50th anniversary and Daniel’s death..and it was not Under Tomsell, end of story.

          • paul

            No they were not if you compare Tomsell 2013 and early 2014 they blew away the 50th especially in the demos. Yes after that Tomsell ratings sucked but the 50th ratings was pretty crap if you think about all the returns that came back they couldn’t even get 600,000 in women 18 to 49 which Tomsell often got over during they best work.

          • Eileen

            I totally disagree. It is subjective who is better. There is no need to shout (all caps) about your own opinion. I enjoyed the show much more before she came own and stopped watching it entirely especially with Maggie’s rewritten history, regarding her unknown daughter and the destruction of Aiden, Chase and the overall depressive writing. To each their own.

          • realitycheck

            Well it is your opinion, but in an objective way and for the majority Tomlin sucked and destroyed this soap big time, as much as Dena Higley. There were TWO MONSTERS AND HACK and Under BOTH these hack ratings sucked and failed and knew some up too.

          • realitycheck

            And i write like i want..eyeroll..i don’t tell you how to write your posts..who do you think you are..pathetic.

      • The demographics were much better the summer before the reboot that killed the show. They got a brief boost but it was due to publicity and Bo’s stunt return that only alienated fans. The killing off of Will was horrific and a transparent pander to bigots and trolls. Screwing over Aiden and his fans (twice) to prop Rafe and Bo was incredibly mean stupid. They had Chase, an established character with no blood ties to any of the young females and made him a rapist? Exploitative and grotesque. It was all about making Dena’s pet Hernandez family the center of the show, and it failed miserably. The show was struggling under TomSell and some bad decisions were made, but now it’s a dead show walking. On top of that, Ron’s style of camp is totally out of fashion.

    • paul

      They needed EJ as well a lot more fans wanted EJ back than Will such a pity James said no to returning it would of created huge buzz if he had come with Ali. Imagine him walking into the Dimera mansion and telling Andrea and Chad to get out he is in charge again it would be of classic.

      • realitycheck

        Leave Ej and Sami alone, them (the characters and actors) and their fans are much better off this corny soap..enough is enough..They can try to make their show work with what they have and not trying again and again to use Ej and Sami to prop their dull pet and dull show !

        • Paul

          I am a Ejami fan when i said they needed EJ i meant coming back with Sami even for a short while not him returning full time i totally agree with you they would destroy EJ again to prop those characters that on the show now not arguing with you about that.

          • realitycheck

            Cool then we agree, and James and Ali can go to better and bigger things and maybe work together again (their chemistry should be used) on other projects where the writing is better and they would be well treated.
            Days and their writers can do whatever they want, we don’t care anymore as long as they leave these two actors and their characters alone !

        • Pete Ra

          Sami’s already coming back for a spell, tying in with Will. If NBC promotes it well, people will tune in. They’d tune in more with EJ in tow, but it’s something.

    • Yoryla

      Once Kristen returns, they’re gonna get their ratings back!

  • Hedda Lettuce

    Why was Victoria’s one night stand on Y & R with a character not even on the show. It would have been more interesting if she had slept with Abby’s guy or Cane.

    • Cloris Ellis

      After the umpteenth “Operation Nikki Flees Newman Ranch for Abbott’s Cabin” rehash, and Mariah discovering her lesbian side with brother Noah’s crush..I’m done.

      • BoomBoomBoomerang!

        Mal is just taking over the writing. Y&R is getting interesting after being draggy for a little while there. Hopefully Mal can keep the momentum and build on it. Y&R is not that bad right now, and there’s a good chance it can get a lot better with Mal’s writing (which begins in October).

    • robert

      it would have been more interesting if it was Cane instead of a dayplayer. this is an issue i’ve had with Sally’s writing,it has not been very dramatic

  • TV&MovieBuff

    Not a good week for any of the soaps really, but Days hitting new lows again for the 2nd week in the key demos is not good. Ron C. may be finishing up Higley’s stories, but you can clearly tell he is making his mark on the show. I watched a few scenes online from the last week or so, and the campiness that is characteristic of his writing is definitely there already. Either people are just not liking it or just busy doing other things. 4 days below 2 million viewers is just not good. I’ve been through this type of writing with him on OLTL and GH, and I started out a fan and ended up hating his style of writing. I wish Days luck esp. for their fans but this is not the way to be going.

    Still loving B&B, but recent news has put a damper on my Y&R viewing. The news just loomed in my mind every time I tried to watch this week. Just don’t even care to get invested knowing another writing change is coming up.

  • Mikey

    O boy Days looks to be bleeding out again. That week had a whole lot of Abby and Chad. I had the show on but did a lot of crossword puzzles to keep me awake.

    • paul

      They try to make Abby and Chad new Ejami but never have the chemistry Ali and James had not having a go at the actors i like BF not that Abby is really boring to watch.

  • paul

    I think Ron has made history as a new Days head writer his first two weeks of work he given Days new lows in the demos lol i am sorry but these are bad. This may explain why there are so many people joining Days they trying to get the buzz back so people again will tune in but it may be to late i don’t even think Sami coming back will help bring them up big time.

    • Eileen

      Sorry, but Ron’s M.O. (bringing back long ago characters and putting them in outlandish stories; i.e. Heather Webber on GH) is not working. The audience is looking for exciting new stories. The Angelica,Bonnie, Hattie crap is one of ReRons specialties and is not going to entice people back or new viewers. DOOL still appears archaic to me after two weeks of Ron and will start to get even more off the wall. As for GH, I noticed something interesting in the demos; they had the least gain in the 18-34 demo which means younger viewers are not really watching this show; the bigger rise in the 18-49 and 18-54 demos seems like some older viewers still tune in and I will bet you most of them are 50 and over. Not that it is a problem (I am also over 50) but I still think advertisers are realizing that younger viewers are not coming back to daytime soaps in any venue (DVR, online, etc) and will just let them die out.

      • Andrew Hass

        Maybe you should Ron Carlivati more than 2 weeks at Days before judging him because he needs time to get settled in and get his stories up and running,

  • Salem Spectator

    From Sally Scissorhands to scissor f***ing, Y&R might become a lot better!

    • robert

      Y&R could become a lot better with Sally gone

  • Lisa

    Stop blaming Dena Highley! Her work hasn’t been shown since late June, Ron took over when she left in mid January. So the current low ratings are the result of his work, and not hers. You people get on my nerves blasting her work out of the water, getting her fired and praising Ron Carlivati as if he’s some writing savior. I read nothing but one nasty post after another about that lady’s work when she did some great things at Days. She wrote the most intriguing story ever with Ben and Abby which should have gotten both Kate and Rob emmy awards. She wrote Clyde, and Aiden who were sensational, broken men. She wrote the scandal of the year when she had JJ and Eve in a sexual relationship behind Paige’s back. She wrote Chabi and reunited Chad and Gabi with their high school sweetheart. Something other writers forgot because of that bad story where Gabi hired someone to stalk her and it went foul. Fans forgot that it was Gabi Chad loved and had a brief courtship with before meeting Abby. Dena went back in history, and pulled that to the forefront, and began

    • Ang

      So many incorrect things in your post lol. I want Days to fail as well but I try to stay factually correct 😉

      Ron’s writing only started to air in mid-July, the 19th I believe. Dena only started writing for the show again in 2015 after being fired in 2011. She had nothing to do with a lot of what you credit her for. Clyde was created by Tomsell, as was the JJ/Eve affair etc..You might want to google the rest of your claims and credit Dena properly.

    • BoomBoomBoomerang!

      I don’t want Days to fail no matter how upset I am over stories past or present. Dena Higley did do heaps of damage along with her co-writer Griffin. They did a whole scorched earth deal that burned fanbases for some of the most popular characters/couples into non-existence. This a recipe for disaster for any soap. And Ang is right, you are mis-crediting some of Tomsell’s creations to DH.

    • Salem Spectator

      Ron’s first DOOL episode was Wednesday, July 19th, but I did like a lot of Dena’s work. I thought some of it was crappy though. All in all, I was entertained. I’m liking Ron’s writing more than Dena’s, so I’m happy.

    • Salem Spectator

      You’re wrong about the racism claim and the history between Chad and Gabi. If racism is involved, then why are JJ and Lani still involved? The true history is between Chad and Abby. Chad and Gabi were a rewrite. Maybe Gabi can be put with Ben if he returns. They’re both lunatics.

    • Andrew Hass

      Ron Carlivati’s work started airing on July 19th.Plus considering how low the ratings during Higley’s tenure it seems to me that most viewers didn’t like what she was doing.

    • lorlsorl

      In high school Chad loved Mia not Gabi and used Gabi to try to make Mia jealous in the hopes she would want him back. Mia was the mother of Chad’s first child who sadly died. Dena along with Josh and Ryan burned the show into the ground driving away so many fans and EP’S Greg,Albert and Ken foolishly allowed this to happen and bear some responsibility too for what’s happening. Dena got rid of characters and the talented actors who played them in order to prop up and protect her precious, losing popularity favorites because those characters she hated were either more popular or more well liked than her favorites. Many of the couples currently on the show who aren’t vet couples like Steve and Kayla or John and Marlena for example are not as popular as the show wants people to think and they lack any real chemistry.

    • Yoryla

      LOL! Someone clearly hasn’t been taking their medication.

  • JONNYSBRO

    Dena Higley destroyed DAYS. Rome wasnt built in a day and it will take Ron time to build ratings up. I am sure when the returning favorites return it will spike ratings. He deserves time to build the ratings.

  • Nick

    So NBC executive Jennifer Salke truly feels “really great” about Days’ direction under its umpteenth new writing team helmed by overrated, over employed “ReRon” Carlivati, as she stated a few days ago? Seriously, has she actually sat down and watched the actual content of the show recently, especially the last two weeks? It’s become an even more unwatchable hot mess, if that’s possible. After looking at these abysmal ratings and giving her some truth serum, I’d be stunned if she said something like that with a straight face. This is just more proof that network executives are always going to publicly support a show even if it’s in awful shape-until the show is cancelled, which could be imminent for Days. What is said behind closed doors by these higher ups is likely entirely different. Remember ABC/Disney with AMC & OLTL? Don’t be fooled.

    • BoomBoomBoomerang!

      That last statement is a good point. I do remember the lead actors on the ABC soaps being told everything was fine and even telling fans there was nothing to worry about. Then the ABC soaps were unceremoniously cancelled. I wish Ron could have speed wrapped Dina’s leftovers and went straight for the gusto with stories that wowed the audience. Maybe he’ll get there. But soon.

    • JayTN

      I mentioned this in another thread, but I don’t take Salke’s comments as a ringing endorsement of “Days”. She says that the network “feels really great about the new team in place”, but quickly adds “we’re evaluating it as it goes”. That to me says that while NBC may be optimistic that Ron Carlivati can bring the numbers up, their opinion can change. She also oddly mentions that she has more important things to worry about, namely the network’s new fall primetime shows. Primetime would naturally take precedence over daytime (the days of daytime subsidizing primetime are long over with), so Salke mentioning that strikes me as odd.

    • Andrew Hass

      Ron Carlivati’s material has only aired for one week or so when these rating came out.So maybe it’s too soon to judge how he’s doing at Days.Plus in total viewers Days had 1,000 more viewers than the previous week.I know 1,000 is not that much but it’s still a gain and not a loss.

  • Elle L

    Personal interpretation of ratings to support already held beliefs is interesting. Like, I’m wondering why the headline is on DOOL’s low when they seem to have remained steady overall (+1k). If anything B&B looks to have had a terrible week, followed by Y&R. And comparatively to all the other soaps, GH had an excellent week. And the ongoing focus on the “tied low for 75th straight week” stuff is odd. I mean, it sounds bad, but small decimal numbers are usually going to hover around the same point. Those numbers for all soaps are so low that a .02 difference isn’t anything meaningful/significant. So, IMO, DOOL is not the big story this week. No real change in viewership. B&B seemed to have significant losses and GH significant gains.

    • TV&MovieBuff

      Anytime a show sets a new low in ratings it gets the head line. No matter what show it is. And a new low rating is something to worry about, and many writers and producers have lost their jobs over them. Even in prime time ratings new low records, season lows or series lows always make head lines too. Days set new lows in both of the key demos and whether fans want the focus there or not, it is something to focus on. It is too early for Ron C. to lose his job over them, but if they aren’t brought up I don’t see Days has any chance of a renewal. Whether ratings hover around the same point or not, it is not good when they hover around the series low rating for weeks and months on end.

    • BoomBoomBoomerang!

      But B&B has a 2.4 rating, a whole point ahead of Days. B&B is most likely not looking at cancellation in a hot minute (and will move online if it is cancelled according to Brad Bell). None of the soaps are doing great. Record lows are nothing to applaud and new record lows are especially bad. The remaining 4 soaps are often being pitted against each other by fans when in reality they are not in direct competition the way fans imagine. The real danger to the 4 remaining soaps is the rise of network talk shows and info programs that cost $1.99 or less to produce (I jest, but they’re cheap!) I fear the networks will replace the remaining soaps with cheap programming if those programs out perform the soaps even by a small margin.

  • robert

    i don’t know if Ron can turn Days around after the damage that previous writers have done.

    • BoomBoomBoomerang!

      He is Days best hope at this point. If he can pull the returning faves into good SLs, he may be able to pull it off. I hope he can speed wrap DH’s mess and get to SLs that wow the audience. It’ll be tough to get Days back where it needs to be, for sure, but if he can’t do it, I’m afraid no one could.

    • Andrew Hass

      I hope people are not expecting Ron to turn Days around immediately because he needs time to wrap up DH’s stories and set up his own stories.

  • FoxyRoxyy

    I’m so glad to know that I was right! Sally’s version of Y&R was SO boring and she got the boot! Deservedly so.

    • robert

      Sally was so boring. none of her stories were good. and her couples was just awful

  • pumpkin16

    I wish they would put Days on HULU. I watch a lot of my programs there.

    • Salem Spectator

      DOOL is available on demand and can also be seen through the the NBC app.

      • caressastar

        it’s not available on demand for me (Philly FIOS) or my parents (Comcast central PA)

  • Derrick

    YIKES again for DAYS……………Not good for all soaps!
    Really not sure if Ron can turn DAYS around! Not thrilled with the dopplegangers right now!

    • robert

      i’m not liking the doppleganger stuff either. the doppleganger needs to be retired. it is so outdated

  • JayTN

    “Days” seems to be regressing instead of progressing in the ratings. This week is the first time since the week of May 15 to have just one day above the 2 million viewer mark. This is also the second time in the history of “Days” that it has had two consecutive weeks below 2 million for the week’s average (it duplicated that for the weeks of May 8 and May 15).

    “Days” seems to have settled into a new consistency, something that it cannot afford to do. Since the week of March 20, “Days” has fluctuated between a high of 2.19 million viewers (the week of March 27) and a low of 1.94 million viewers (week of May 8), a span of 250,000 viewers. That means that for the past 19 weeks, the viewership for “Days” has fallen somewhere within a 250,000 viewer range. Consistent, yes. But, “Days” needs something beyond consistency, they need to see consistent viewer growth, not simply treading water.

    • robert

      they can’t afford to be losing anymore viewers if they wanna survive

  • sherwood

    Looks like DAYS will be in the dumper sooner than later if Ron doesn’t pick this show up. B&B appears to be suffering from a post-Sheila slump. GH is holding its own, but Y&R continues to slide into the ditch. Anyone who trumpeted Sally Sussman’s version of Y&R can put a lid on it. It was obvious that her version of Y&R was in the tank. So long Sally and Kay. You can’t go home again.

    • FoxyRoxyy

      Sally and Kay’s short run was a disaster.

      • robert

        it truly was. all they did was put the audience to sleep. and made unpopular pairings

        • BoomBoomBoomerang!

          I agree with the unpopular pairings. Same mistake Days made along with the worst mistake ever (killing off so many popular characters.) Days destroyed popular pairings and burned the fanbases into non-existence. Not sure why anyone behind the soap thought this would be good for ratings. Y&R needs to end the unpopular couples asap and get to redeeming Hillary (at least to a point where she is trying to do the right thing). Hillary is way too nasty right now and for “personal” vendettas, getting back at others, as opposed to just stepping on others to get what she wants. This personal touch makes her seem even nastier. Hillary needs to be more of a heroine because it’s only a matter of time before Devon is back in her orbit big time (Hevon has to be reunited, fans won’t ever let them go.) Fans can complain until soaps are fading a memory, but what is really killing soaps: Ratings. The remaining soaps should be doing everything to get those ratings up (but from the looks of things, esp the writing, they aren’t putting their best efforts forward.) One of the quickest fixes would be lining up the characters and couples fans want to see, after all, viewers are the ones that matter when it comes to ratings (their viewing helps set the budgets via ad revenue from the sponsors). I think I worded that correctly. Anyway, soaps should be listening to the viewers regarding popular characters/couples, IMO, but it’s just like when brick and mortar retailers stopped saying the customer is always right… and look how that turned out. Salespeople are rude and uncooperative (if they can be found at all) so I started shopping online and I’ve never looked back!

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            BTW Y&R should be fixing Lane asap. That can’t be helping ratings. Fans may accept one or both of the actors leaving if they want to move on, but they won’t accept this degree of destruction. I’m not a huge Lane fan myself, but they bring in a lot of eyeballs according to accounts and MAB’s attempted ending of Lane by killing off Cane.

          • jonboy

            Too bad she didnt. Couldnt stand him up until now.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            I’m not a big Cane fan myself, but they lost a million viewers the first time they “killed” him off and those fans were very vocal. They should just put Lane back together and do SLs that include them as a couple. That can be done. If one (or both) if the actors decide to leave, they can move on from Lane once and for all. If Lane has even a portion of that million fans, they should not be taken for granted. I believe the remaining soaps should do something that could benefit them and the viewers: Give fans what they want. Listen to viewers. Write for fan faves (even if I can’t stand the character) because the ratings depend on people tuning in and watching as often as possible. HW and showrunners who kill off popular characters/couple run the risk of killing off a portion of the show that never comes back. Some of those fans never come back. The other three soaps should pay attention to what has happened to Days (as well as AW/GL). This is just my opinion. The shows can do whatever they want; I just think alienating the remaining viewers is a bad idea.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            No they need writers who have a big pair who quit letting many of the fan bases hold the shows hostage. The writers and producers of the heyday of soaps sure didn’t. The fans tried to do with one couple on Guiding Light to the point that the writers just finally wrote them off the show and they never were heard from again.

            You can’t please everyone all the time. The shows need fans who are fans of the show and not just one part of it. Keeping a couple together all the time is just going to make that couple boring. And then the fans are going to complain about that.

            These shows were all built on couples who were hardly ever happy for long periods of time. The only couples who were that way were the backburner couples who didn’t lead the shows and hardly got any airtime. Sure fans got angry when they were split up but they just stuck around to see them get back together again.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            Without considering the fanbases, Days is in the toilet. The other soaps would do well to NOT do what Days has done and burn those fanbases into nonexistence. What worked in the past is not working now. Y&R propping unpopular characters/pairings is not helping the ratings in the least. It truly is BORING. I expect this will change when Mal takes over the writing. The remaining soaps cannot afford to burn viewers: Days has proven that and JG/DH have been fired. That should say it all. JMO

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            BTW I’m seeing the same kinds of comments for Y&R that I saw for Days before they went nuclear. And Days probably will never fully recover. For me, it’s still nearly unwatchable. RonC will really have to bring his A-game and many posts say doppelgangers won’t cut it. So we’ll see.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            No Days went to the toilet when they considered the fan bases way too much. Back in the 80s and 90s, many couples were split up and popular characters like Hope, Roman, Patch, etc. were all killed off. Popular characters like Marlena and Bo moved on to other romances that because equally as popular with fans. And the show just got more and more popular. Good writers don’t need to please all the viewers; they just need to write good story that is true to the characters and interesting enough to make viewers want to tune in. If the story is good enough fans will follow it. They just need to concentrate on writing the show and leave the rest alone. Great writers of soaps past listened to viewers and they made changes as they needed to, but they didn’t bow down to the fans and let them have their way. They wrote good story and let it happen.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            I simply cannot agree because Days lost about half its audience when they burned those fanbases so bad they tuned out (I was one of those burned, and I have not come back fully and am doubting I ever will.) Good writers need to write good stories for characters viewers want to see. I watch soaps because of characters I care about and if the story is good all the better. This is the way I have always watched soaps from the time I first fell for EON. Just my opinion.

          • paul

            They lost me and a lot more fans when they killed Ejami in 2014 they used them to prop up so many boring characters no cared a less about Abby until she crawled into bed with EJ. I not watched a single show since EJ died that how much they hurt me and the Ejami’s so yes i understand other popular couple’s fan bases tuning out also when they destroyed their couples as well.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            Well as I have said before I have watched soaps since 1970 and I watch for the same reasons as you do, but if I had quit watching when one of my favorite characters or couples ended then I wouldn’t have lasted a year. So many of my faves died or were written out but I loved the shows and kept watching. You mention Edge of Night and your viewing habits based on that really surprises me. I watched EON until it ended, and that show killed off and wrote out more of the my favorite characters than any other show out there. Due to the nature of the stories people were killed off all the time. They even killed off their most popular leading man in the 1970s when they killed off Adam Drake.

            There is no character whatsoever or actor or couple that is going to make me watch any show just simply by them being on. If the story they are involved in is not good or entertaining them I’m out of there. And that is what has happened to more fans of these current shows. The powers that be have tried to hold on to those precious fanbases that roar so loudly and they have totally alienated the fans of the shows who want to watch the show and not just one actor or one couple. Those are the people who have tuned out in droves. Those are the people they need to get back — people who are loyal to the show and love the show.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            I only watched EON during the final years. As I recall, Henry Slesar had started realizing that he needed to keep core characters more intact. So I guess even then times were beginning to change. I was a fan of Raven, and he kept her around for the rest of the run (she and Sky eventually became fan faves, #19 of most popular soap couples of all time). I cannot imagine why killing off popular characters or couples would benefit any of the remaining soaps in this time. So many viewers, including many female viewers watch for characters and/or couples, esp couples. Soaps viewers aren’t the same as they were 40-50 years ago. It took me a while to accept that. But rebooting the soaps back to the past isn’t working. I told a friend a decade ago that Y&R would never be able to go back to slower writing because viewers had changed and wanted faster paced storylines. That appears to be holding true, maybe more so now than ever. We agree that good writing would benefit the remaining soaps, but I believe that keeping fans happy is beneficial to ratings overall. That’s just the way I feel. I still think Days is a good example of this because the show has really suffered since it burned fans by killing off (EJ, Will, etc.) BTW Fans who screamed here on this board that Will should be killed because he’s gay are now posting elsewhere that they welcome back Will and that he should help get viewers back. They weren’t saying that months ago before the ratings plummeted. It’s refreshing to see posts that say welcome back Will! I just wish the show were less damaged than it is. The sets look so bad it’s like an old motel and the characters are living in these shabby, rundown motel rooms. Sad to see Days in this shape and watching it is even worse. I can’t make it through a whole episode. You’re welcome to your opinion, and I will stick with mine.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            BTW I’ve made my opinion clear, and I am just going to move on right now. Neither of us will change our opinions, so we can agree to disagree and let that be that.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            One more post on this. First Henry Slesar wasn’t writing EON in its latter years. If he had been the show would have probably lasted a whole lot longer than it did. He was the heart of that show. Lee Sheldon is the one who kept characters around longer. And his stories or characters were never on par with Slesar’s.

            As to your part about fans screaming this or that. Clear examples of shows giving fans what they want and not gaining anything. How many times have we seen characters revived, favorite actors returned, or stories rewritten as to what the fans want and still no movement in the soaps.

            Days has brought back so faves that fans have screamed for. They’ve undone deaths, rewrote plots that weren’t popular, and yes they get bumps at first but then those fans just tune right back out because the story just isn’t there. MAB was popular for undoing past stories on Y&R and things that the fans said they wanted and yet she still consistently lost viewers during her tenure.

            Wills death can be undone just like EJ’s was but if Ron C. doesn’t write a story that makes fans want to watch Will’s mere presence on the show is not going to keep viewers tuning in. If EJ & Will & EJami were so popular then why didn’t ratings go up consistently while they were on. They didn’t. They were only up when the story for them was good. The rest of the time they continued to drop during their time on the show.

            And yes we won’t ever agree. These untalented hack writers of today don’t know a good story if it hit them over the head. And they definitely don’t know how to write good characters or couples.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            He was in the early 80s when he made the statement that he would be keeping more core characters. I should know. I knew him. Thanks.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            That’s so funny. The early 80s had the biggest upheval. It was during that time that Bill Marceau who had been on the show as cop since the 1960s was written out and replaced with Derek Mallory. Also departing during this time were fan faves April & Draper, Deborah Saxon, Steve Guthrie, Jody Travis, Preacher Emerson, long running heroine Nicole was killed off in the 80s, Logan Swift was written out, and so on. All of these were long time characters created by him and fan favorites and all were written out by him during this time you are referring too.

            Henry Slesar was fired by Proctor & Gamble in May 1983. Lee Sheldon wrote until cancellation in 1984. So you are right on that part. And during that time Sheldon didn’t get rid of a lot of characters either but ratings didn’t go up — they went down because his stories stunk. And he kept Raven & Sky at the top.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            Funny or not it’s what he said and he made the statement to the press. After that, he did try to keep a bigger cast of regulars (BTW LS killed off Nicole, which I hated). I never cared for LS’s writing. I stayed for the characters I loved, mainly Raven and then Sky (also Mike and Nancy). LS had written Charlie’s Angels, etc. and I felt he was all wrong for EON (so did Sharon Gabet, who played Raven. She begged the the showrunners to reconsider, but the deed was done and remained.) HS was a great guy and a talented writer. EON was never the same without him.

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            I have a minute so I can address some of these departures. I always say soaps are often killed by what goes on behind the scenes. Mismanagement, etc. Bad writing. Anyway, I’m not sure Frances Fisher (Debra) wanted to depart or not, but she was thisclose to becoming a breakout star in movies (esp after being cast as Lucille Ball in the TV biopic). Steve was written out because he and Lee Goddart came to blows and P&G wanted him sacked (a bad move, but HS had no choice). Lori Laughlin was always destined for bigger things it seems; she always seemed like such a natural. Her part was recast with a young from Y&R Carrie Emmerson (I believe), and the recast was just so-so. This character and Preacher were with the show until the end. Preacher left Monticello in the final episode with the eventual DH’s star Marcia Cross. Not sure why the actor who played LS was written out, but the rumor is he was offered a part in Falcon Crest. He did that show, then SFT and GL. Lee Sheldon did improve near the end, creating a storyline or two that showed promise, but it was too late to save the show. BTW From what I understand, the actor who played Bill Marceau was let go because of a contract dispute, probably a pay issue and the part recast with a younger, less expensive actor.

          • Carmel Smith

            I feel like trying to keep these fan bases happy are hurting these shows. When the writing is good overall that’s when the ratings rise. Days is trying to make a couple of fan bases happy right now, and IMO the stories don’t make any sense. They want us to forget what we’ve been watching. The ratings have dropped too.

          • Yoryla

            Correct. Couples never make a show, strong and good characters do, possible couples are just icing. If the characters are not good no amount of couples were work

          • jonboy

            I find that baffling since I see both as mediocre actors. And just what is Cane glancing at off stage ALL THE TIME? It’s so annoying!

          • jonboy

            I’ve watched YnR since 1973 (taking a few months off here and there when it ticked me off) and there is not one actor on the show today who was there at the beginning and only one character still occasionally seen (Jill, who barely resembles the original character anymore). Instead of ratings plummeting with the sporadic exits of the original YnR characters the show flourished! I certainly am not suggesting mass exodus but think weaning out some of the tired old characters might provide a healthy face lift.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            William J. Bell always knew when a character had run its course or needed a rest. If he was still there I can almost guarantee we wouldn’t be on Victor & Nikki multiple weddings, divorces, and etc. I think is the biggest problem with all the soaps now is so many of the characters have just run their course or they need to do something different with them that just repeating the same old story cliches over and over with the same characters.

          • jonboy

            No redemption for Hilary. Kill her off!

          • BoomBoomBoomerang!

            If they did that, Y&R would lose a lot of fans overnight. These kinds of decisions have hurt soaps in the past and current soaps as well. Days went that way, and look how they ended up bottoming out and still stuck at the bottom. Days may pick up with Ron, but it was a hard fall and not an easy comeback. Just saying soaps do need to please the fans who watch because without those viewers, the show suffers or worse.

  • TV&MovieBuff

    People who constantly complain about Nielsen being behind the times should be happy that now You Tube Live and Hulu Live airings will be counted in the ratings. They will allow the shows that air there with the same commercials that air on the networks or cable channels. Since they have added those I don’t think it will be long before they add the Sling Live channels too. Hopefully this will bring good news for some of the shows who have viewers there. We’ll just see.

  • BoomBoomBoomerang!

    I wonder if MAB would be a good fit at GH. She writes some crazy $hit. It might work as long as she’s forbidden to kill off any legacy characters. I’m not sure how MW would feel about her coming aboard, since she killed of Maura’s character on Y&R. I’m surprised MAB hasn’t landed somehwere. I figured for a while there she might end up at Days. I wonder if she was on the short list. But I’m glad they got RonC.

  • BoomBoomBoomerang!

    I just saw a TV ad for GH. Nice. And it was during the evening, maybe during the news, not sure, but I was surprised and pleased to see an ad for the show. I haven’t seen any for Days, but I don’t watch a lot of NBC. This ad got me thinking that I miss the old fall (and other times too) TV ads for Daytime TV and the New Fall TV Line-up. “Hooray! Hooray! Hooray for Fall!” I guess they don’t do those anymore. TV has changed. Networks are becoming unnecessary. Big TV is moving online and air-TV is back complete with antennas (The old is new, but TV is def not the same!) Just stating the obvious here, but those old TV ads sure made me want to watch the shows!

  • TV&MovieBuff

    I have been so enthralled with Game of Thrones this season, and was thinking about soap operas while watching some of the episodes. The stuff going on GOT should be what is happening on soaps — and no I am not talking about wars, sci-fi, out there type stuff — but the type of stories. So much of what makes GOT interesting to me is the characters and the mere drama that just builds from them. You have strong characters and esp. strong females. They don’t need men to defend them. There was one scene this year where 4 strong women were sitting around a table planning out battle strategy. It was so impressive. And yes there is romance and couples. You have strong men too with drive and ambition. And to me GOT proves that you can have a long term story with a slow build as long as you make what happens between the start and the end interesting. People have been following this one story for 7 seasons now. We are slowly building each season to the ultimate showdown, and people just keep tuning in and following episode after episode. And you have writers and producers not scared to take chances….killing off popular characters, etc. Daytime soaps have been doing the same old tired boring plot driven stories for years now. They could learn so much from prime time. But they just seem to be okay with the status quo.

    • jonboy

      I have been bingeing ONE TREE HILL the past few months, am close to the final (9th) season and thought the same thing. The characters are so well written and remain consistent throughout. Daytime could learn a lot from reviewing OTH.

      • TV&MovieBuff

        Just started One Tree Hill and loving it. Never watched it during its initial run. But I agree the characters are so good and so well drawn out.

    • Yoryla

      All the big leaders on GoT are women, which is the truly best things about that show. And there are also strong and wise men on that show, the biggest of all of course Tyrion.

  • Michael Taylor

    I WANT THE SOAP OPERA RATINGS FROM JULY 31-AUGUST 4 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Yoryla

    LOL DAYS total viewers are actually the least to go down from last year, and actually up from the last week. LOL Get your facts straight.