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Ratings: Pre-Emptions Sends Soaps to New Lows in W18-49 Viewers

Ratings Report for the Week of June 12-16, 2017

Ratings Report for the Week of June 12-16, 2017

 

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NOTE: There were pre-emptions on Tuesday and Wednesday

 

NOTE: GH did not air on Tuesday due to Jeff Sessions’ testimony

 

Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings

(Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)

 

Total Viewers
1. Y&R 4,153,000 (+20,000/-127,000)
2. B&B 3,417,000 (+10,000/-217,000)
3. GH 2,364,000 (-184,000/-334,000)
4. DAYS 2,019,000 (-108,000/-55,000)

 

Households
1. Y&R 2.97/10 (+.01/-.13) <—— ties low (3rd straight week) *
2. B&B 2.45/8 (-.01/-.18)
3. GH 1.69/6 (-.21/-.33)
4. DAYS 1.5/5 (-.03/-.07) <—— ties low

* Rounded to 3.0

 

Women 18-49 Viewers
1. Y&R 469,000 (-33,000/-110,000) <—— new low *
2. B&B 380,000 (-52,000/-134,000) <—— new low **
3. GH 356,000 (-52,000/-93,000) <—— new low ***
4. DAYS 330,000 (-36,000/-13,000)

* Previous low: 492,000 (May 8-12, 2017)
** Previous low: 387,000 (May 29 – June 2, 2017)
*** Previous low: 359,000 (May 8-12, 2017)

 

Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 0.73/6 (-.05/-.18) <——— new low *
2. B&B 0.59/5 (-.08/-.22) <—— ties low **
3. GH 0.55/5 (-.08/-.15) <—— ties low (7th straight week) **
4. DAYS 0.51/4 (-.06/-.03) <—— ties low ***

* Rounded to 0.7
** Rounded to 0.6
*** Rounded to 0.5

 

Women 18-34 Viewers
1. Y&R 100,000 (-5,000/-49,000)
2. B&B 96,000 (-3,000/-31,000)
3. GH 91,000 (-10,000/-22,000)
4. DAYS 62,000 (-18,000/-29,000)

 

Women 18-34 Rating
1. Y&R 0.29 (-.01/-.15) <—— ties low (3rd straight week) *
2. B&B 0.28 (-.01/-.09)
3. GH 0.26 (-.03/-.07)
4. DAYS 0.18 (-.05/-.09) <—— ties low (15th straight week) **

* Rounded to 0.3
** Rounded to 0.2

 

Women 25-54 Viewers
1. Y&R 753,000 (-38,000/-68,000)
2. B&B 620,000 (-56,000/-143,000)
3. GH 488,000 (-85,000/-147,000)
4. DAYS 411,000 (-43,000/-45,000)

 

Women 25-54 Rating
1. Y&R 1.23 (-.07/-.13)
2. B&B 1.02 (-.09/-.24)
3. GH 0.8 (-.14/-.25)
4. DAYS 0.67 (-.07/-.09)

 

Day-To-Day Ratings – HH/Total Viewers

B&B
Monday: 2.54/3,645,000
Tuesday:
Wednesday: 2.45/3,351,000
Thursday: 2.45/3,317,000
Friday: 2.36/3,356,000

DAYS
Monday: 1.56/2,141,000
Tuesday:
Wednesday: 1.48/2,006,000
Thursday: 1.44/1,903,000
Friday: 1.51/2,026,000

GH
Monday: 1.87/2,524,000
Tuesday:
Wednesday: 1.50/2,076,000
Thursday: 1.72/2,437,000
Friday: 1.69/2,419,000

Y&R
Monday: 3,16/4,536,000
Tuesday: 2.78/3,810,000
Wednesday:
Thursday: 2.95/4,048,000
Friday: 3.01/4,219,000

 

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  • Pete Ra

    Ooof, these preemptions are wreaking havoc! It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a Sheila bump next week for B&B.

    • Eileen

      They are not wreaking havoc – take a look at the numbers when the shows are on. It is not like it is 5 to 6 million viewers.

  • Trash

    GH is horrendous. Hopefully Shelly Altman follows Jean P out the door.

    • Salem Spectator

      I heard Shelly is there until the end. She’s seen at least one soap to it’s bitter end.

      • MaximumUniverse

        So did Jean P, who destroyed ATWT in quick order.

        • BethAnn3

          Maybe ABC wants an excuse to cancel the show. Although it seems like all soaps recycle the same failed writers.

      • Richie

        WOW, you have all the inside info. & know everything. I suspect you are getting your leaks from RUSSIA!! I also think it is Russias’ fault DAYS took a big ratings tumble this week.

        • Eileen

          Well if it is, John Black will soon take care of that.

      • Jai

        Ya, Nathan Varni tweeted Shelley would be the solo writer.

        • padange

          When did he tweet this? I only read him saying Shelly was staying with GH.

          Nothing about being the “solo” headwriter.

    • BethAnn3

      They need to get the ABC network guy who is micromanaging the storylines and emphasizing Sonny and the mafia to step aside.New writers won’t help with an idiot like that running the show. Frank Valentini probably needs to go, as well.

      • ctshar

        If they’re burning off MB’s contract days in june, I’d be fine with that but why pair that with wasting ava’s character in bandages AND amy driving story?

        I don’t mind taking a GH break, I’ve enjoyed not watching, but I’m not returning to the Corinthos show.

  • ctshar

    I have hulu, I didn’t watch the GH sh*t show. Sonny sh*t show is just awful and next week no excuses left for Frank and Varni and they’re horrible decisions.

    I truly can’t believe how AWFUL GH has become. Julian ruined. Ava bandaged up and mocked by psycho Sonny. Sonny/Carly have the chemistry of neighbors and hero cop nathan is hanging out with an annoying nurse rather than, you know, solving the crime of why valentin is roaming free OR why Sean is in jail when he’s innocent of the crime and HALF the f-ing town knows and does NOT care.

    I have given up GH, Frank and Varni don’t care a bit what I want to watch, so I’m DONE.

    • Elle L

      Eh, it’s the writing. It’s always been the writing…well, and Frank’s non-vision for the show other than having 500 characters. Sonny has been my favorite character for 20+ years and I love S&C. And, yet I couldn’t keep watching…gave up in April and realized I didn’t miss it at all. It’s a different show now, and not one I am particularly interested in despite still loving some of the characters/actors. These days you can keep up with your fav actors on social media and watch the good ol’ days of soaps on YouTube. :/

      • ctshar

        Writing and story focus. I truly love the canvas of characters and actors. I love vets likee laura and annaand newbies like ava, julian, nathan, TJ, etc and yet it’s the sonny/carly show. I’m done being frustrated at what ‘could be’. Frank doesn’t care about GH viewers a bit. For example, everyone loved killon and jason/curtis and then both were infected with cointhos instead. Done.

        • BethAnn3

          The ABC showrunner, some network honcho, is the one that forced Frank and the writers to focus on Sonny. He thinks that’s what viewers want, maybe because he’s a male and somehow thinks that women prefer Scorcese mafia stories to typical daytime soap stories, even though the ratings have proved him wrong for months.

          • Barbara Long

            You’re not right. The show began focusing on the hospital and broke away from the mob. Ava was in on the attempted killing of Sonny, she lied to the five families, was involved in AJ’s death, she also was involved with Raj, the weapons that were coming into Port Charles, the hostage situation at Julian and Alexis’ wedding, and she switched Morgan’s meds. She snitched on the mob in Julian’s organization. When this storyline was going on, the numbers went up. Kelly Monaco was involved with Jason Thompson leaving the show and that was a mess. The show has not recovered since Jason Thompson left and Teresa Castillo (Sabrina) was killed off by co-head writer Jean. Sabrina and Michael never took off and it produced Wakey which had no fan base whatsoever. Now that the TPTB took over we’re back to the mob storyline and it needs to go forward.

    • BethAnn3

      The Ava storyline is so tasteless and impossible to watch. The writers should be ashamed for coming up with that and using it.Nurse Amy is another tasteless, ridiculous plot among many. Oh, and Sam turning schizophrenic. Then there are the boring kids on the show, the great aunt you never knew or cared that TJ had, etc. I avoid watching the show now.

      • ctshar

        Sonny is GH’s viagra leading man, ava’s in bandages, and amy’s driving story. Quite the GH mess but frankly, made it an easy call for me to take a summer break.

        I agree, GH kids are cute IN scenes but NEVER driving them. Never. TJ, Molly, dillon, kiki should be driving a FUN summer story.

        • Ann Marie Blon

          These writers wouldn’t know a summer storyline if it bit them in the ass.

          • ctshar

            I guess this is the sonny/jason show people said GH had when they were nearly cancelled. I’m suprised the show survived, but I suppose back then no netflix, hulu or DVR, so less options. I just don’t think GH will survive Frank/Varni/Shelly. Honestly, if Varni is replaced I’ll have hope. If not, I’ll consider GH on life support.

            I’ll be on netflix and hulu this summer instead.

  • Salem Spectator

    Only 50,000 viewers separate the second and fourth ranked soaps in the 18-49 demographic. Oh, and Ron Carlivati’s material first airs on DOOL on July 19th!

  • Salem Spectator

    Y&R went 190,000 viewers below 4,000,000 last Tuesday. Are they looking for new producers/writers?

    • Richie

      Reason being, on the east coast, first half hour was preempted due to the Republican maniacs shooting of the congressman. Viewers probably tuned out, or did not tune in at all, after seeing what was going on. They should not have counted that day, unlike Memorial Day, highest watched day that week that was NOT counted.

      • Ann Marie Blon

        It wasn’t a republican maniac. It was a Berni supporter.

        • Richie

          Sorry, Meant to say “Anti- Republican hater”. My bad.

  • Salem Spectator

    Another record shattering low in 18-49 for Y&R, but fear not, Y&R has three more years to gain. If you’re unhappy with Y&R, tune out and give it some time. Take a breather. Y&R will be waiting for you.

    • Richie

      How many years has or should I say “days” has DOOL been renewed for ?

      • Salem Spectator

        DOOL is renewed through September of next year.

      • JayTN

        I don’t know if this is facetious or not, but that is an excellent point. Y&R was given a 3 year deal by CBS (and before that had a two-year renewal deal) while “Days” lives year-to-year with the ever present danger of the cancellation ax looming over it. The ratings for “Days” were so bad that they couldn’t manage to trigger the automatic second year renewal in their last deal!?!

        • padange

          Did Y&R get 3 years firm? I think SOD mentioned pick-ups which is not the same. If they got 1+2, it doesn’t guarantee 100% the show stays on air for all the 3 years.

          Btw, not trying to be negative. I want all the four soaps to survive many more years. I am a fan of the genre.

          • JayTN

            That depends on how honest CBS is in their press releases. Announcing the renewals, CBS said “CBS renews Y&R for three more years” and “CBS…has renewed its entire Daytime schedule…including a three year deal for daytime’s #1 drama”.

            When NBC renewed “Days” in 2016 for one year with an additional year built in if certain ratings benchmarks were met, they mentioned that in their press release touting the renewal, saying it was for one year plus potentially additional ones. CBS hasn’t done that, so taking them at their word, I would assume that it is a 3 year deal and not a one or two year deal with potentially additional years.

    • Jai

      Y&R and DOOL has been good this year. I know they will keep getting better and better.

  • jesse

    I’m enjoying Sheila on BB and Dina/Graham on Y&R.Interesting characters hope to find out more about Graham’s back story.Pre-emptions not helping but the fall in w18-49 demo has a lot to do with bad writing.You have hacks like Higley on Days that come up with trash.GH is a joke dialogue like Jake was programed by Helena when he was on the island lmao.

    • Salem Spectator

      Are you suggesting that Y&R, otherwise known as YawneR, and B&B’s low 18-49 numbers are only because of preemptions? DOOL isn’t the soap with a new record low close to a previous record low. Sally Scissorhands has failed and it’s time Y&R “cuts” her!

      • FoxyRoxyy

        Week after week, new low after new low, Sally Sciccorhands proves that she is inept as a headwriter. Y&Boring continues to be a disaster.

        • Tod

          Seriously, why do you watch Y&R if it’s such a disaster? You seem totally bent out of your frame most weeks. It makes no sense. Find something on cable or the nets you enjoy and eighty-six your constant chest beating about how awful Y&R and Sally are. We get it. You don’t like the character driven direction the show has taken. I suppose the drivel Pratt and JFP dished out was more to your taste. Or maybe you’re just one of those posters who loves to complain ENDLESSLY! But your posts bore the crap out of me. I generally just read the comments and don’t post, but god, enough with the bitching. Get a life, get a new show, whatever. But if you just keep repeating the same tired tripe, and have no new insights to sharpe… like I said: boring!

          • FoxyRoxyy

            LOL Give Sally time. She has 10 years of bad storytelling to fix. Sally has screwed Y&R so badly! The ratings drop week after week. Sally’s Y&R is boring!

          • jonboy

            Block It. Worked for me!

        • Salem Spectator

          I think they’re in denial. They may not care as long as YawneR is ranked #1. We can see it. Most of their numbers are what DOOL was getting not so long ago…numbers that had many of them saying DOOL was a goner.

      • JayTN

        That’s all fine & dandy, but it is Y&R that got a 3 year renewal from its network while “Days” are so bad that it had to be renewed for just one year because the ratings weren’t good enough to trigger the automatic renewal in its last deal. As we speak, NBC is probably considering its options on what will replace “Days” in 15 months.

    • TruthSquad

      Enjoying both myself. Especially Y&R.

    • jonboy

      Give me more Graham in the sauna…

      • jesse

        Yes that was a great scene.

  • ctshar

    Y&R >>> too freaking slow story-telling
    B&B >>> not enough avants
    GH>>> no one wants the VIOLENT sonny show with NO ‘love in th afternoon
    DAYS >>> I don’t watch yet, but will be trying out Ron’s work in july!! excited for Days fans..

  • Amie

    Its good that Y&R went up

  • Mac888 spectral

    Well at least Y&R has already been renewed for 3 more years, along with shows that are drawing significantly lower.

  • Abysmal if I see Sam cry one more day I’ll kill my self #gh

  • jesse

    w18-49 291,000 all time low
    w18-34 15th straight week ties low
    w25-54 .067
    Total viewers @2m or below for several months
    If these were Sally’s numbers yes I would say she failed.

  • Eileen

    Give me a f’ng break. Pre-emption excuses only go so far. How about the days they were on? Low ratings. Bad writing and boredom and the shrinking soap audiences is what is to blame. Pre-emptions or interruptions is always the excuse.

    • Salem Spectator

      Thank you.

    • Michelle

      Agree.

    • FoxyRoxyy

      Perfectly said. Every week some people look for any excuse to justify the low ratings on all the shows. At some point, its obvious that the problem is the uninspired boring writing that is driving viewers away.

    • namcy

      Good point. Gone are the days where people would miss a day or two of their favorite soap and then anxiously await its return. I only watch one soap and find myself forgetting to tune in because I find it very dull and poorly written. I prefer to either read a book or surf the internet when I have time to myself. 20 yrs ago, my day would kind of revolve around what time my soap began and ended lol. In other words, my soap was my number one pass time and I would make time for it.

  • TV&MovieBuff

    I agree with so many others the pre-emptions are not the full blame of what is going on here. If they were we would see a whole lot higher ratings on the days they air fully. What is the blame then? Are people just too scared to tune in because they think there might be pre-emption? My guess is that they just aren’t interested in what is being fed to them on the screen. If the pre-emptions were the full blame, then on those days we should be seeing higher numbers or normal numbers for the soaps. But we aren’t. All of them are suffering right now because they just aren’t delivering what they can and should be doing. There is just way too much competition out there for the soaps to be playing things so safely and sticking to the formula of the same old same old and expecting viewers to tune in out of loyalty. Those days have flown.

    • JayTN

      We will see if the soaps – and daytime in general – see an increase in viewership with the Trump administration cutting back on televised press briefings. A lot of people have blamed that (which I don’t really buy), so we shall see if that argument has any merit.

  • TruthSquad

    If you do not count the Tuesday episdode of Y&R which only fully aired in a few markets, the average total viewers for the week 4,267,000. That is down only about 20,000 viewers from the year before under Pratt. I am very happy with Y&R. More and more so everyday. I guess CBS is too. The 3 year renewal says it all.

    • FoxyRoxyy

      Funny logic. Y&R already got a break from Nielsen by not rating Wednesday. Let’s just exclude everday when the ratings are low and only count the better days. I’m glad that Y&R got a 3 year renewal, but the numbers are horrid as they are for all of daytime. They drop week after week. I watched sporadically this week. There are way too many new characters on the show! Anyone who tunes in to see Sally’s “classic” Y&R will say Who Are These New People? Way too many new characters all at once. And Sally doesn’t even know what to do with her new creations. Ravi was her first new character and he is floundering. It’s boring to me.

      • Kevin Little

        Just look at Y&R’s three-year renewal as job security, Roxyy

        Now you can complain every single week for the next 156 weeks.

        • FoxyRoxyy

          I’m good. The numbers keep dropping though. 3 years ago, Y&R had 978,000 women 19-49 viewers! They now have 469,000 Sally is a miracle for Y&R.

      • TruthSquad

        Seriously with all intended respect I think it would make sense that after the sugar high of dobblegangers and other Pratt stunts that we all needed a little while to catch our breath. Y&R has definitley changed gears and slowed down and it took some getting used to for everyone. Although Pratt/Phelps got great ratings at times, they also fundamentally changed the show and just as he was shown the door viewership was eroding and confidence fading. I was skeptical at times with Sussman but I see an evolution that I like that is methodical and well planned. Unlike Pratt I actually feel like the writers this time already know the outcome and directions of the stories rather than flying by the seat of their pants. Give it time. I think you will come around too. I hope.

        • FoxyRoxyy

          My problem with Y&R is the boring stories and so many new characters. They need to step it up. Couldn’t care less about new App guy after Ravi, the old app guy was thrown aside. Sally’s boring writing is all over the place.

          • TruthSquad

            I hear you about new characters. I dislike Scott Grainger. I disliked Jordan but have warmed up to him and I like Mati but am not fond of Charlie or Reed. I like Juliet but have a feeling she may not stick around long. I even took a while to like Michael Muhney as Adam. New characters take a while to like and so it is always a gamble. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Reed recast. In spite of my complaints though, I think they are on a good track.

          • jonboy

            Scott & Jordan have grown on me and I have to disagree about Reed. But as for Charlie: horrible actor.

          • JayTN

            I admit that Reed is a bit of a rookie when it comes to acting (remember when the soaps used to be a “training ground” for actors), but at least he actually looks like a teenager as opposed to a 30 year old trying to pass for 16.

    • jesse

      Y&R is more enjoyable without JFP/Pratt.Character driven instead of plots i.e. being on islands,working for spy agencies.Sexual harrasment,Abbott family relationships more realistic.Agree 3 yr renewal was huge.

      • TruthSquad

        I agree, It has been a process. First making the characters that had gone so far off course into believable and likeable people that we can care about again. Now I believe the good storytelling has begun.

  • Mandy

    I don’t understand how pre-emptions affect ratings. Do people not have it on the networks because they don’t like interruptions? If I’m watching DAYS and I change the channel for the last half hour because it got interrupted, does that count as me not watching DAYS or not watching the news? I truly hope somebody can explain this to me!

    • JayTN

      It depends on whether a particular series is pre-empted in full or in part. For example, on Thursday of the previous week (June 8), Y&R was only rated for 17 minutes and the result was a big drop in viewers (2.5 million viewers vs. over 4 million for the other four days). When a series is pre-empted, Nielsen only counts the actual time that the series airs, such as those 17 minutes that Y&R aired on June 8. The other 43 minutes was news coverage and rated separately. It doesn’t really have anything to do with changing the channel. People may still be watching ABC, CBS or NBC, but if a particular series is interrupted or pre-empted, those viewers are not counted as watching that series. They may be watching whatever the network is airing, but not that particular series.

      • padange

        I read that Nielsen ratings were an average. For example if 10, 20, 30, 4 etc. people watch, the ratings would be 14. Which means that many more viewers watch parts of the show than the ratings indicate.

        • JayTN

          I look at Nielsen, more or less, like a poll. All polls have a margin of error and so does Nielsen. Y&R did not have exactly 4,153,000 viewers last week, that is an estimate of the number of viewers. Keep in mind that Nielsen does not rate college dorms or bars or doctor offices or any other business that may have TV’s turned on.

          • padange

            The Nielsen company even started applying the modeling technique (starting end of 2015 I think). I wonder how that affects demo ratings. I think it might be one of the reasons these numbers fluctuate so much.

        • TV&MovieBuff

          When you are asked to join the Nielsen rating team — it is by invitation only and they change if fairly often depending on population of an area, demographic issues within a house, etc. When a household ages up, if there are already too many people in that age group, a family may be dropped no to overload the sample with more in one demo group than the other. They interview the people within the household as to their age, jobs, eduction, etc. It is a thorough interview. They get the info on all the TVs, games systems, VCRs, DVDs, Blu Ray — anything that you can watch TV on it or connects to a TV has to be listed and monitored. The boxes sends a reading to Nielsen at certain points every time the “TV or whatever” is turned on. I forget the exact number of minutes or whatever passes between each signal. But if you just flip through the channels, it is not going to send a reading. But if you stop on a show and stay there for 10 minutes or so, you may be caught within that time frame and counted as a viewer of that show for a certain period. That is why the networks get 15 minute breakdowns so they can follow if viewers are tuning out or more are tuning in at various points within a show. If a show goes over into another show as Jay said Nielsen gets notice of that and they sort those viewers out that we counted during that time. Networks do not run shows over to get viewers from a previous show. The opposite is usually the case — they are trying to help out their lineup or get viewers for a weaker show. By doing that they can hope to get viewers to stay on their network thinking that if a competitor’s show has already begun they won’t change the channel and just watch what comes on next. TBS used that trick for many years airing all their programming from the 5 minute mark to the next 5 minute mark.

          The Nielsens are an average. It’s an average of all the viewers tuned in at that particular time and throughout the hour or 30 minutes. But Nielsen knows how many houses were tuned in to a particular show at that time, the make ups of those homes as to who might be home watching at the time, how many TV’s or electronic systems are watching. They even know if a person is watching a Movie, Roku, Netflix, etc. at that time or even if they are playing on their WII. They give that information to the networks. It’s the same as a research average that scientists use when checking how many people prefer a certain toothpaste, or when testing a drug. They don’t test it on every single person out there but they use random scientific sampling. That is what the Nielsen ratings are.

  • Carrie Walker

    I think ratings should count at the 10-minute mark. Why? For example, there is a network that airs their shows a few minutes into the next hour on the time grid. When viewers are ready to watch the second of two shows, the first one receives the ratings, which is unfair. Plus, I think ratings have become antiquated, as not everyone watches live anymore. So smartly, the ratings are now counted as live, and a # of days later viewing. One more thing discovered is through a particular satellite company, I noticed shows recorded that I know a timer wasn’t set for, and same vice versa (knowing I set the timer, but for some reason it didn’t record). Don’t know what the answer is with figuring out ratings, don’t just accept what’s given at face value, with manipulation is involved.

    • JayTN

      That is not actually true. There are two types of ratings: overnight and finals. The overnights – which are released the next morning – are counted differently than the finals – which are released the next afternoon. The overnights count timeslots while the finals count actual series. For example, the numbers reported for “Sunday Night with Megyn Kelly” in the overnights last week included a large Connecticut affiliate that refused to air the episode. That is because the overnights did not count viewers watching “Sunday Night with Megyn Kelly” but instead counted people watching NBC at 7pm. When the finals came out, the people watching that Connecticut station – and any other affiliate that did not air “Sunday Night” for whatever reason – were removed from the original number. That is because the finals actually counted “Sunday Night” viewers. This applies if a series is pre-empted for a pre-season NFL game and aired overnight instead.

      Series receiving other series viewers is a myth, pure and simple. That doesn’t happen…at least not when the finals are released (and cable overnights are rarely seen by the public). Nielsen factors those viewers out whenever a program runs over its allotted time period. I remember a few years ago that ABC soap fans said the same thing when “All My Children” ran over by about 5 seconds, allowing AMC to count viewers watching “One Life to Live”. Didn’t happen.

      As far as satellite DVR, I noticed that whenever I would set a timer to record a news program (such as “Face the Nation” on Sunday mornings), it wouldn’t record, but if I set the time to record the CBS affiliate from 10:30 am to 11:30am (when “Face the Nation” airs), it would work. That is because when I set the timer to record the series, the description would change (such as adding who the guests would be for that particular show) and that would vacate the timer I set because the listing had changed. Such changes don’t apply when I set a timer based on an actual time instead of an actual series.

  • robert

    bad week for soaps and pre-emptions are not the only reason to blame. the storytelling is bad. one of the main reasons for GH’s problems is the Sonny and Carly show. these two almost lead GH to cancellation last time,i can’t believe they’ve gone back to them. when GH was hitting highs a few years ago,Sonny and carly weren’t hogging airtime like their doing now

    • scott16475

      Sonny needs to be shown 2 days a week and simply in the background clearing tables at Kelly’s while legit actors are in the forefront with their storyline. Day players, which is what Maurice really should be, rarely have lines and that’s perfect for Maurice since he can’t be bothered to memorize his lines currently.

  • ctshar

    1) GH 7th straight week of demo lows during sweeps. Yet GH TPTB continues to make the SAME choices in violence and the Corinthos show. Apparently the ABC exec publicly stated he’s happy with GH’s direction. Does that mean he’s happy with huge budget cuts and low viewers? To me, that means he’s trying to get the show cancelled. Or he’s lying. Or he’s being replaced and he does NOT know it.

    2) Ratings have PROVEN that soap viewers will either turn to cable news or turn delete/turn off the show when networks interrupt for non-important news. When it’s extreme weather of true breaking news like the GOP attempted massacre, soap viewers are fine with interruptions. The rest, we just don’t watch the network at that hour. So, have the network execs FINALLY gotten the message? Time will tell.

    • cr5704 .

      abc’s the chew and the view however are doing very well

      • ctshar

        I happened to catch the view, the two new people were a HUGE improvement. I don’t watch, but it wasn’t awful anymore. I don’t watch any talk or daytime game shows, so I’m not their audience anyway.

    • TV&MovieBuff

      Why judge what you think all soap viewers want and don’t want. And how can you judge what is important news and what is not? It may not be to you, but to another viewer it may be something they are very interested in. Network TV is a not a niche cable channel. Network TV is a wide variety of programming that has to work together. And sometimes one division clashes with the other. But that is network television — they have to try to please all their viewers. That is why they have created and purchased various “NICHE” cable channels at times to help do that. But when they created a soap opera channel, we soap viewers didn’t watch and the show failed. Yes it was badly mismanaged at times, but what can a network do when they are offering classic soaps at various times — what viewers said they wanted. And those soaps got a 0 rating.

      With the pre-emptions, just be thankful that at least there are many many ways you can seek out what you might have missed.

      • scott16475

        ctshar can judge what viewers want and don’t want simply by looking at the ratings. Jason and Sam don’t equal ratings and everyone in the world knows that Sonny and Carly going through their 8,952nd “rough patch” doesn’t bring in viewers. Hell, Sonny being front and center with anyone keeps viewers away.

        The show is very lopsided in storytelling and who is front and center. When Sonny is the main character and all other characters are sacrificed and written out of character simply to prop up the one-note character of Sonny, viewers lose interest and turn off the show. In these times it’s very easy for viewers to walk away and never return.

        GH needs to clean house and completely revamp the show if they want to have any hope of keeping viewers. The stories that are being told and the characters used currently in the forefront is not a long term successful soap make.

        • TV&MovieBuff

          I wasn’t responding to that part of his message. I was responding to the part of his message about what soap viewers want in regards of the news. Interruptions for all kinds of reasons have been happening for years. It’s part of TV and it’s not ever going to change with network TV because they are not a niche cable channel devoted to one type of show. Anything can be a nuisance. I hate award shows and specials, and I hate how they interrupt my weekly TV watching, but nothing I can do about it. They are going to happen.

      • ctshar

        it’s easy. If you would break into primetime for the news, then interrupt daytime. If not, do NOT. Networks can choose to lose the ratings for an event viewers, if interested, will watch on cable, facebook live, etc. However, it’s idiotic to do so and execs will likely stop on their own.

        GH ratings speak for themselves, sonny and carly were front/center and ratings TANKED. No big mystery.

        • TV&MovieBuff

          Then you would be a stupid business man because you would send all your customers somewhere else. Hey we offer this and it is part of our Network but we don’t your viewership so go somewhere else and get it. The networks don’t want any of their viewers to go to Facebook, or a cable network or whatever. They are worried about getting the maximum number of viewers to their network and keep them there. They don’t want to send you off somewhere else.

          And we have already had this discussion ongoing about the primetime and daytime thing. Networks bring in whenever the news happens. Since political business happens during the daytime they are going to break in while it is happening — not wait until the news is old and break it then. It is very rare that some press conference, etc. happens at night. It is just normal they are going to happen more during business hours of the daytime.

          As to GH ratings I could care less. I don’t watch the show anymore and it wasn’t because of Carly and Sonny alone. The shows got more problems that just Carly and Sonny. You commented that soap viewers don’t like or want the other pre-emptions for non-important news. How can you judge what anyone else wants. I for one prefer to be kept up to date no matter what is happening. With the way the soaps are going these days oftentimes the news is more interesting in the first place.

          • ctshar

            What is idiotic is thinking someone will watch regular news rather than a soap they reguarly view. Ratings went DOWN from their regular numbers, ergo, bad business decision. Simple really.

            For public good, a true news event like the GOP attempted assination is more important than ratings.

          • TV&MovieBuff

            But how do you know that the network actually lost viewers though. Yes the viewers came out of the soaps ratings, but they were given to the news event. Many of those viewers may have stuck around for the news event and others may have tuned in who were interested in that. As Jay I think it was reported either last week or the week before — many of the news events during the day are drawing good numbers or at least numbers as good as the soaps are doing.

            And yes I agree with you any news event esp. a major one like a shooting etc. is more important than ratings, but from a business stand point — the networks want you to watch the coverage on their particular network and not any other place. They don’t want anyone else “scooping” them because in the news business when that happens very often you soon find yourself out of the news business.

  • TV&MovieBuff

    For all the people who argued that GH had to use the OLTL 3 because they all had contracts with the show, what is the reason now why GH is letting go of Rebecca Budig who signed a 4 year contract last year and now is being let go by the show. A show can make a decision any time during an actor’s contract to get rid of them. GH could have done the same with the OLTL 3 — they just made the stupid decision that the 3 were needed in brand new characters. And that to me was Carlivati’s downfall at GH. They were on a roll until then.

    And also from what I understand the stupid decisions continue, Altman is staying with the show. I loved Altman as a script writer but none of her head writing stints have done anything. To me she needs to go back to what she does best. Hopefully Frank V. will bring in someone to help that is great for the show. I would really love to watch the show, but the writing just does nothing for me.