Sony Pictures Television
Ratings Report for the Week of June 30 – July 4, 2014
NOTE: Please do not copy and paste the entire ratings. Thank you.
Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings
(Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)
1. Y&R 4,321,000 (-69,000/-75,000)
2. B&B 3,449,000 (+35,000/+26,000)
3. GH 2,808,000 (-175,000/+476,000)
4. DAYS 2,403,000 (+18,000/-194,000)
1. Y&R 3.2/10 (-.1/-.1)
2. B&B 2.5/8 (same/same)
3. GH 2.1/6 (-.1/+.3)
4. DAYS 1.8/6 (same/-.2)
Women 18-49 Viewers
1. Y&R 623,000 (-15,000/-206,000) <—— new low *
2. B&B 607,000 (+39,000/-68,000)
3. GH 578,000 (-54,000/+55,000)
4. DAYS 559,000 (+47,000/-6,000)
* Previous low: 638,000 (June 23-27, 2014)
* 2nd straight week getting a new low
* 5th new low in the past 3 months
Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 1.0/7 (same/-.3) <—— ties low (4th straight week)
2. B&B 0.9/6 (same/-.2)
2. DAYS 0.9/6 (+.1/same)
2. GH 0.9/6 (-.1/+.1)
Women 18-34 Viewers
1. GH 200,000 (-27,000/+30,000)
2. DAYS 135,000 (+7,000/-38,000)
3. B&B 122,000 (-21,000/-76,000)
4. Y&R 113,000 (-28,000/-133,000)
Women 18-34 Rating
1. GH 0.6 (-.1/+.1)
2. DAYS 0.4 (same/-.1)
2. B&B 0.4 (same/-.2)
4. Y&R 0.3 (-.1/-.4) <—— new low *
* Previous low: 0.4 (June 23-27, 2014)
* 2nd straight week getting a new low
Women 25-54 Viewers
1. Y&R 1,058,000 (+30,000/-64,000)
2. B&B 923,000 (+105,000/+10,000)
3. GH 787,000 (-40,000/+86,000)
4. DAYS 750,000 (+60,000/+3,000)
Women 25-54 Rating
1. Y&R 1.7 (same/-.2)
2. B&B 1.5 (+.2/same)
3. GH 1.3 (-.1/+.1)
4. DAYS 1.2 (+.1/same)
Day-To-Day Ratings – HH/Total Viewers
Friday: 2.1/3,000,000 (did not count)
Friday: 1.6/2,319,000 (did not count)
Friday: 0.9/1,240,000 (repeat – did not count)
Friday: 2.8/3,834,000 (did not count)
I think it is ironic that a power house like Y & R could be the next soap to go down if CBS doesn’t act fast. Viewers were used to great storytelling for so many years that they are now faced with sub par mediocrity and are fleeing. I watch but with no devotion. Only if i am home. I DVR other shows but stopped dvring Y & R. It is not must see anymore. Thanks Jill Faren Phelps. This has gotta be effecting the afternoon lineup and hurting The Talk.
Actually, “The Talk” is doing just fine.
From a CBS press release from 7/3/14:
“THE TALK averaged 2.52 million viewers for the second quarter of 2014, up 4% from the same quarter in 2013. THE TALK matched its second quarter 2013 performance in the Women 25-54 demographic (1.0/6 rating/share).”
And that’s what you are calling “just fine”?? Are you working as a spin doctor for CBS?? Have you noticed what ratings GH is drawing IN THE SAME TIME SLOT?? Their rating in the women 18-49 key demo is about 50% higher!! Total viewers about 500,000 viewers higher. These are the numbers CBS could be drawing with ATWT (again) if they had turned things around like GH did.
For years GH was a sinking ship with slightly better ratings then DOOL. ABC didn’t cancel that monstrosity, why do you expect CBS to suddenly be concerned with GH? I’ve said it before, when Y&R is at it’s peak, nothing can touch it. Yes, they are going through a rough path right now, but I fully expect with proper changes the show can be turned around.
So, increasing your audience year-over-year is not a good thing? Isn’t that what all the soap magazines were crowing about this season that the “soaps are back, baby”, because they were increasing their audience from last year?
A talk show and a soap opera are very different creatures. They appeal to different audiences, different demographics and are even judged differently according to cost (i.e. “The Talk” is way cheaper to produce than GH, and probably does better in reruns).
I guess “The Chew” is a loser for ABC, since Y&R, despite its alleged “collapse”, and B&B are doing way better than “The Chew” in the same time slot!
The Jay. Good news for a the Talk but some heat from Julie Chen to shake things upon their afternoon lead in would get things moving at Y&R. I hope someone is paying attention to these numbers before it is too late.I miss my show. What is your long term outlook? Do you think Y & R is savable at this point?
Certainly I believe that Y&R is savable. However, simply changing out writers or producers is not the answer. Unlike most people, I don’t believe that Sony/CBS really put much emphasis on day-to-day, or even weekly, numbers. Instead, they look at the long term picture, such as the quarter year numbers. Y&R is on a two-week losing streak in viewers, but is coming off a (season best) three-week stint of increasing viewership. Just looking at the week-to-week numbers can give someone whiplash with the wild swings that can occur.
An OK showing for DAYS. I was expecting better numbers, but baby steps are fine.
This was a big week for Days with the Sami/EJ wedding and fallout. But again July 4th week so hard to tell what the signs are.
As the soap sinks! Phelps “dark touch” does it again! She’s really kicking ass now! LOL.
I does not suprise me that I knew that was coming because of recent storyline and the billy abbott recast played a part of the ratings going down and that is why two days ago they announced new characters comings in the end of summer avery’s ex and mariah’s mother to help the show going forward but i think that as long as jill farren phelps is there the show WILL NOT GO FORWARD she needs to be shown the door by the end of summer for the show sake
No one actor nor character is to blame for poor numbers.
Glad to see the July 4th numbers didn’t count for any of the shows (Y&R, B&B, and Days with new episodes that day; GH with a repeat). But looking at the numbers the Thursday July 3rd numbers really hurt the average of the soaps. WIth it being July 4th week don’t really feel these numbers give a good gauge of where things are. Will be interesting to see where things are in the next couple of weeks for all the shows. If Y&R stays on this path definitely not good news and changes need to happen
MonDAYS hurt the average for my soap. Why so low?
Thursday was a bad day for some of the soaps but since it was the day before the 4th i don’t think we should worry too much about it because people were probably getting ready for the holiday.As for GH they had an up and down week but they were the only soap that had gains from the same time last year in overall viewers and in all 3 demos.
The Tuesday episode of DAYS beat GH.
By 98000 viwers who tuned in to see the wedding, Obviously people were not pleased as on Wednesday Days lost 200,000 viewers while GH gained 400,000
This wedding was a joke..anyway this storyline is a joke..they can never write something good for Ej and Sami..it is their last months..but no they threw at them a sleazy cheating story with an awful character..whose only ‘asset’ is to be a Horton..yuk.
I hear you, Lulu, the next few weeks, in my opinion, will be dreadful, each righteous Salem character will drag himself/herself to EJ’s cell to beraid him (as if prisioners cannot refuse to see people, LOL). But I still do believe, perhaps foolishly, that throughout their last three months there will be a much more satisfying ending for them .. not quiet sure what, but since it is their end days, it makes sense to muddle it up in the beginning and clear it up in the end. We shall see.*)
Yeah Days beat GH on Tuesday by 98,000.However on Monday GH beat Days by 941,000 viewers.Then on Wednesday GH beat Days by 482,000 viewers.Then on Thursday GH beat DOOL by 292,000..So yeah Days had a great Tuesday but then the rest of the week they went down.Plus considering Days ratings on Monday it’s not surprising that they rebounded on Tuesday
This time last year though Days was even beating GH. They had dropped all the way down to 2.3 million after being up to 3 mil around the 50th and the Nurses’ Ball. GH was 4th place in every category this time last year even the 18-34. Yes it is good that GH is doing better than last year, but they are not competing against even normal ratings for last year. The weeks around the return of the 3 OLTL actors in new roles were very bad for GH.
I know comparing this year’s ratings to last year’s might not be fair because each year is different.However i do think it’s a good thing that this is like the 4th straight week i think that GH had at least one day of 3 million viewers.Plus i think GH usually gets 3 millions viewers on Monday.Which means they start the week off good and now they may have to find a way to end the week well too.
Collapse is a strong word to use especially when describing a soap. I don’t think any Y&R fan expected much of anything during the holiday. The only great thing about these numbers are the fact that it’s adds more pressure on Sony/CBS to do something, because JFP, McDaniels, and Passanante are all in denial.
What the hell happened with that Monday for DAYS? Were there any preemptions?
Maybe Abby or Jennifer or Daniel were on it ? Oh my bad..they are on EVERY freaking days !!! lol
It’s an incredible mistake to tie Eve (and JJ and Paige) to Jennifer and Daniel from the very beginning and with no end in sight. Kassie de Paiva deserves so much better than that!! These DAYS head writers just don’t get it. If any soap has collapsed since March, it’s DAYS, and it’s the head writers fault!! How low do the ratings have to go till they get their house in order like GH did?? DAYS could be in the same position as GH today (see the huge gains last year), but they chased away all these viewers again with their dumb storylines.
January, February and Mars were good ratings wise only because of polar vortex..the storylines were already awful..Days was good in 2013, in 2014 it became once again GARBAGE..with Jennifer and her boring lover and children being front-burner..She is a Horton..got it, but it is not enough Days ! A middle name can’t do so much when the characters are awful and boring in every ways.
You’re just upset that EJ went for that HOT YOUNG THING! AS is on her way out, so is JS, but he’ll be back to carry on with Abby. I only wish Abby was pregnant. Sami could have been the built in baby sitter.
I am enjoying Days lately. I agree that the Eve,JJ,Jen story has the potential to get tired but I for see a possible JJ, Paige, Eve triangle. I am loving the way they have written Sami lately. Too bad they seem to wait until an actor is leaving to fully utilize them . The sets can be trying- the gala for example but I think the show deserves better ratings than they have gotten lately. They seem to have gotten very few of Y & Rs disenfranchised viewers. The 6 month in advance shooting schedule seems unwise to me.
Do you know DAYS history? Eve and Jennifer go way back. It would be a mistake to ignore that fact. I’m loving it, especially the angst for JJ and Paige…the supercouple of the future!!
You describe GH as having gotten its house in order? I think it is the worst its ever been – downright unwatchable now. Just terrible!
I expected the shows to be down this week so it is no surprise. I had just hoped that Y&R wouldn’t set another new low. Phelps contract is up soon. So I know this is not looking good for her negotiations even with an Emmy win. But just changing producers is not going to help. We need a new writer. And we need a producer who is not going to demand the writers write what he or she wants. The producer needs to produce and let the writers write.
Whoa! Is JFP contract really expiring? Perhaps that explains why CBS/Sony hasn’t made any moves yet. I imagine if JFP is shown the door, the rest of her regime will be headed in the same direction. In a perfect world she would disappear before Phyllis makes her return.
That’s what I heard, expiring 7/26, about two more weeks. Of course, I can’t vouch for credibility. Sounds like you are hoping for a clean sweep — I agree, if she goes, everyone else goes with her. They may have been negotiating with others quietly, as well as her; I’m still not sure if she has been shut out completely…but certainly could be. The biggest problem might be, she had previously strong new highs and no one may have been worried until it started to topple, which was not so long ago. If they do not have any replacements at hand (coupled by her emmy wins) they may sign her up for just another year. On the other hand, if they signed her initially for 3 years, then she still has another year to go. Time will tell. And ratings can still climb as quickly as they fell.
I think Jay has a point that there would be some whispers if JFP was on her way out. I personally would love for her to receive the Hollywood treatment where she shows up for work one day, and security tells her that she’s no longer allowed in the building. LOL.
Though I have to say it’s worrying when Passanante says “everyday we bring our A game” she obviously has no clue that her stories are horrible at the moment. The Paul/Dylan story was wonderfully written, and helped along by Doug Davidson’s incredibly talent, but everything else falls flat. I think next week Lily is suppose to sabotage Hilary’s dry cleaning. I mean, this is why we are dealing with.
I’m guessing that by Fall we will have an idea if things are going to get back on track. Phyllis returns, the new hottie makes his appearance, and Adam will be be back on canvas. I’m still praying CBS can sway TSJ will some primetime spots to get him to play Adam. Nevertheless, it’s not too late for them.
It’s been years since Jean Passanante has had any clue. The only time that I think she has worked as a headwriter was with Hogan Sheffer as a team on ATWT. Some writers only work with a good co-head writer. Neither Sheffer or Passanante have been good since.
I do think Y&R will get new writers. I don’t see Sony sitting back and just not doing anything. Or CBS esp. if Y&R keeps sliding. My biggest fear is just who they get to write. Every time you think it can’t get any worse it does.
It seems the good soap writers like Sheri Anderson, Claire Labine, etc. have retired or don’t want anything to do with these final 4 shows.
Yes, with regard to Jay, I certainly think he has good points, as I responded to him above. Firstly, by now, there should be some credible talk about her being fired (or even her contract being up); so far no one with any credibility has said anything. And, from Sony’s perspective, JFP has clearly managed the budget, the main reason Sony brought her on board. Recasts will always cause flurries; some actors will be missed more than others, perhaps, but success requires S/L and talent. I think most of the soap stars I have seen by and large are very talented (considering the pace and very few takes they must perform under); but every actor needs good material.
Fall is very likely a good focal point to see directions. And I certainly agree that “collapse” was a ridiculous verb in the headline … that is the problem with everything today … just shock, throw anything out that causes a stir.
If JFP’s contract expires in a few weeks then Sony and CBS may just let her go.Maybe if there’s something in her contract that says if she gets fired she still gets some money.So if CBS and Sony just lets her contract then they don’t owe her anything.If she’s leaving CBS and Sony may already have her replacement ready to take over.
If Phelps’ contract is up later this month, one would think that gossip mongers would be chomping at the bit to see her deposed. Instead, I haven’t heard anything…other than the usual internet hate for JFP.
Sony/CBS know what they are doing…they don’t tend to panic, especially over one weeks numbers. Given the fact that JFP is the executive producer and reportedly brought on to tame the budget (something she has done), I would expect Sony/CBS to insist on a writing regime change before deciding to dump Phelps.
But it hasnt just been one weeks worth of numbers. The numbers have been slowly declining for some time now. I do agree that especially this particular week would not be the week to judge it buy but definitely not a good sign and the drops are just proving people who said JFP would ruin the show to be correct
Jay, I agree with you on both points … this is no real solid reporting that her job is in jeopardy (or even that her contract is up). And, secondly, as you say, she was brought on the control the budget … whatever else one wants to say, she has certainly done that.
Y&R won the Emmy based on the work of the three top actors who are all gone. No one even approaching their talent has been hired. That and the steep decline in the ratings since they left are certainly going to be big negatives in her negotiations.
That is a matter of opinion. Gina Tognoni is an Emmy winning actress with a lot of talent as well as Cady McClain who is an Emmy winning actress with a lot of talent.
And yes those 3 actors were in the storyline that helped to win the Emmy but they didn’t win the Emmy alone. Without all the people who work beside them in front of the camera as well as the many people who work behind the scenes those 3 would be nothing.
ToDAYS episode was soooooo good!
I agree .. it really was … sooooo good! I just loved how Sami barrelled right over Jennifier’s wagging finger. Yesterday was excellent also, leading into today. It was a good week … week of 7/7 to 7/11 … keep the week in mind for ratings.
I have a feeling that Jennifer will have a nervous breakdown…lol…Her mother was institutionalized at least twice years ago. I hope DAYS goes that route. It would play into the history. A lot of people love Jen and a lot hate her, so it would really be fun! Maybe Susan Flannery can visit DAYS!
I used to like Jennifer; gradually she began to bore me, especially with this Dannifer worship amongst the Salem residents. Now, just put me down solidly in the hate column. Today’s scenes with Sami/Jen were one of the few Jen scenes that did not get fastforwarded.
euh..no most just loathe her like her slutty bad dyed haired daughter. And to see both of them everydays doesn’t help Days’s ratings..that’s an ‘evidence’..sadly Days TPTB seem too dumb to see it..Thankfully Sami finally told it like is..what a breath of fresh TRUTH.
WHAT THE HELL Y&R…………………………………..
People don’t like change, but if they hang in there, Y&R will turn around. Sony, CBS and Y&R should give JFP another million viewers to work with. Things take time.
IT HAS BEEN 8 MONTHS AND RATINGS STILL GOING DOWN, YES PEOPLE LIKE CHANGE PHELPS NEEDS TO STEP DOWN.
It does take time and YES PEOPLE DON’T LIKE CHANGE………I agree! It’s concerning that they are keep tanking like this!
The Friday numbers were pretty good for DAYS! EW gave DAYS five out of a possible five firecrackers for the July 4th episode. Blub received four. YawneR received three. GH received two, but that was a repeat. Explosive DAYS are here!!!
I agree with a previous post that the word “collapse” is rather provocative (likely used to get “clicks”). If you want a collapse, look at the ratings for “Search for Tomorrow” (I know it was back in the ’80s, but it still applies) when it switched from top-dog CBS to cellar dweller NBC. “Tomorrow”, literally, lost half of its audience as Nielsen compiled two different ratings for that particular season; one for its CBS episodes and another for its NBC episodes.
I don’t usually may much attention to the day-to-day ratings, but I did notice that “Days” beat GH on Tuesday. Even if it was only 98,000 viewers. It’s been a long time since “Days” has beaten GH on a weekly basis (the week of July 29, 2013 – almost a whole year ago!), but how long has it been since “Days” beat GH on a particular day?
That was the day that Sami and Ej’s wedding begin on days so I imagine it can be created to people tuning in to see what Sami would do
Cellar dweller gives me a laugh everything. Thank you!
During the week of May 13-17 2013 Days beat GH i day that week.On Tuesday May 14 Days had 2,515,000 viewers opposed to GH’s 2,459,000 viewers.Also on Friday May 17th GH had 2,289,000 viewers and DOOL had 2,888,000 viewers.So that day GH only beat Days by 1,000 viewers.Now there may have been other weeks in which Days beat GH on a certain day since then but that was the only one i could find.
I’m confused and saddened by Y&R’s ratings decline. Creatively I don’t think it’s been half bad. It sure hasn’t touched on LML or MAB’s level of shittiness. Ideally I would like Brad Bell to EP both Y&R and B&B (with Patrick Mulcahey as B&B HW and Kay Alden/Shelly Altman as Y&R HWs). But in the absence of that, JFP is doing a fine job.
I’m pleased with B&B’s gains though. The Quinn stuff has been great.
She’s far worse than MAB IMO
JFP is doing a good job! Several people are just not used to her or still haven’t forgotten how she destroyed the other soaps! MAB was worse!
Exactly. Most people who hate JFP are either holding grudges from other shows or just blindly jumping on the bandwagon. Like I said, she’s not perfect, but Y&R could do, and has done, FAR worse.
No, they’ve never done worse in these key demos. JFP owns that one.
Well I meant creatively, not ratings.
I agree with you about Brad Bell and the HW but I think JFP regime is the worst I can remember. Ever.
Are you serious?! JFP & crew have demolished this show! Gone are THE BEST actors that kept us engaged with amazing acting talent..MICHEAL MUHNEY, BILLY MILLER ( winner of EMMY for best actor) the day they left ( not to mention Michelle Stafford !) the writing has become obviously BAD & silly ! The plots are very disrespectfully SILLY. I only wish it was before Jill Firing Phelps took over. Peace out!
Stafford and Miller left of their own accord. Muhney was fired by Sony for his own behaviour. JFP can’t be blamed for that.
The current stories are SILLY? Unlike MAB’s constant doppelgängers, retcons, murder mysteries, character assassinations, miscasts and piss poor treatment of vets? Okay. (Not that JFP is directly responsible for the stories – that’s the head writers’ job.)
JFP isn’t perfect. She scrapped the old background music which is a huge no-no, but that really is all I can fault her for.
Y&R last place in a demo??? Has that ever happened before?
Those 18-34 demo numbers are getting shockingly low and don’t bode well for any soap even maintaining median viewer age at current levels, let alone trying to lower it.
I can tell you that those numbers effect the bottom line in ad sales. It you can’t deliver a core audience for the advertisers, you’re in trouble. That’s the real story here. Follow the money as Y&R’s younger female demo evaporates.
Who cares, Y&R stinks!
Y&R Under estimated the followings of BM and MM… The fans walked when these two main actors left. The show has not been the same and this revolving casting call for replacements are making fans even more disgusted
Right on! That’s THE TRUTH FOLKS!
Those actors are far from the only contributing factor. In fact in the weeks after they left numbers were not bad. Other than the internet crazies people who will watch soaps will only tune out if they are not enjoying the writing.
These fans didn’t help the show when they were on leading story after story, and the show kept getting new lows under the regime of Maria Arena Bell who put those 2 actors in almost every story. The low and declining ratings caused her to get fired.
Soaps are not star vehicles for any one actor. They are an ensemble. I have my favorites but I don’t watch any soap opera for one actor or even one character. I am a fan of the whole show. I have lost a lot of favorite actors from my soaps, and I stuck with the show because first and foremost I am a fan of Young and the Restless.
Well, you can speak for yourself, but a lot of people disagree. The reason MAB was fired was for the Shictor s/l. The backlash was the straw the broke the camel’s back for her. BM & MM drew viewers. They are gone and now the show’s in a steep decline. The Titanic is sinking and if you chose to stick with it, I hope you can tread water. LOL.
You see it your way and I see it mine. MAB had many weeks that were low in the ratings and for other stories than just the Shictor s/l. If BM and MM drew viewers then where were those viewers during her tenure when the ratings declined, she hit new lows, and they were featured in front burner storylines the whole time.
As to treading water. I have watched Y&R since day one, and I have treaded water a lot. And I stuck with the show during the departures of actors who had more talent and charisma than BM and MM will ever even dream of having. And they were actors who were a whole lot more important to the long term scheme of Y&R history than MM and BM were too.
The audience is still there. Just 3 weeks ago they jumped up by 200,000 viewers. They are just waiting for something worthy from the writing team.
Or I guess for you those are just MM and BM fans who just happened to forget they were on that week and tuned in to watch.
P.T. Barnum was right. Enjoy the cold water wake up call!
Remember when you point a finger at someone else you have 4 pointing right back at you. P. T. Barnum was totally right.
At the end of the day I still have my show. It has 40 years of history and a network and production company who not let it die. And even with lower ratings I still love it and I still watch it daily.
Billy Miller made his choice. People say Y&R could have given into what he wanted. If Billy Miller had valued his job and loved the show and his fans then he would have not made demands the show couldn’t meet.
Michelle Stafford made her choice. She wanted to dictate story and Sony and Phelps said no more.
Michael Muhney did something that Sony had no choice but to fire him. Evidently according to those behind the scenes it was something they couldn’t ignore.
If you or I did something at our jobs that overstepped the boundaries we would be fired too. Muhney is no better than the rest of us.
If he hadn’t done what he did he would still have his job today.
And if he is as great as everyone makes him out to be then why in the world has some show not snatched him up.
Y&R has been around for over 40 years. It survived without them before and it will again.
In reference to your fifth paragraph:
But they could ignore forty years of the same behavior by a woman?
Maybe Y&R thougt the groping story would reduce the fans anger of letting MM go. If it is true, then he could be a victim whom turned victimizer. That is common.
What if he admits to groping, but adds that he was violated for several years? He may have thought he was powerless.
At any rate, people should keep their hands to themselves and if Y&R would have dealt with the issue many years ago, the could have avoided the problems they have now.
How do we know there hasn’t been a settlement or settlements out of court: lifetime payments to several victims add up to a lot of money…Y&R needs higher ratings.
In reference to your first accusation…I doubt that the person you refer to engaged in “forty years of the same behavior”. It may have happened forty years ago, but I doubt it continued until their departure from the show.
Secondly, times and attitudes have changed since these incidents are alleged to have occurred. Cigarette smoking used to be the norm on television…witness old episodes of “Match Game” on GSN or news reels that clearly show CBS News legend Edward R. Murrow interviewing newsmakers while puffing away on a cigarette. Look at “All in the Family”, whose lead character was nothing short of a bigot and racist. “All in the Family” wouldn’t even see the light of day if it tried to get on the air in 2014. The behavior you speak of may have been looked at as raunchy horseplay at that time and not the litigious actions that they are today.
To answer your last question: “how do we know there hasn’t been a settlement or settlements out of court?” Because no one has been sued…you have to have a lawsuit before a case can be settled, regardless of whether it is through the courts or outside the legal system. The very fact that there has not been any legal action should point to the accusations having some merit.
Well technically there could be cash settlements to victims even before a lawsuit is even filed because a show or company may want to take action first..Plus part of the settlement is that no one can talk about it.Plus 40 years ago or even 10 years ago it could have been one person’s word over another but nowadays might be more vigilant and take steps to avoid any kind of sexual harassment.Plus there might even be moral clauses in actors contracts these days.
Back in the “good ‘ole days”, studios would put morals clauses into actors contracts, but if any morals clauses exist today they would be radically different. Back then, morals clauses precluded anyone from such mundane things as having an affair (and is also why some gay actors had “beards”), etc. Any morals clauses today would probably exist to shield a network or studio from any legal action (such as sexual harassment, as you mentioned).
Regardless, one cannot compare the behavior of an actor in 2013 to an actor/actress in 1973. Also, if Michael Muhney is truly innocent of the salacious actions he has been accused of, I would want to clear my name in court or at least have the studio exonerate me. Taking a payout – or bribe – from the studio to stay quiet isn’t going to accomplish that. In show business, how people perceive you – your image – is very important. Having such rumors against you, without any vigorous defense, only makes people think that you are guilty…regardless of whether you are or not.
Well most people too are adult enough to know when something is a joke and when it is actual harassment. Yes sometimes a joke can cross the line, but I have often heard actors and actresses talk about the jokes they play on one another back stage — and they do know what is a joke and what is not.
As to harassment that occurred in the past, the favorite thing among posters is to throw shade a dead woman and Y&R these days, but it happened a lot in the past. Thus why women esp. have fought for the laws against it to get harsher.
Days of Our Lives in particular has a well documented history with one case where they refused to get rid of an actor until actresses refused to work with him any longer. One of the actresses’ mother refused to let her daughter work with him and another actress threatened to file suit against him.
He went to another show and it happened again. The actress there refused to work with him anymore.
He returned to a previous role. Again the actress there had to tell the producers she wouldn’t work with him anymore.
There was at least one long time producer who often required actresses to sleep with him to keep their jobs or to get story lines. He kept getting jobs over and over on all 3 networks right up to his death.
The biggest difference in now and then is the Internet. Today we hear about all the backstage details, but years ago we didn’t.
It’s happened on all the shows, and if actors or actresses think it is okay on Y&R they have just as much reason to think all the shows will tolerate it because they have in the past.
In this day and age as much as sexual harassment is preached against in the work place — no person should ever think it is okay. If they do then their just stupid.
I’m not trying to throw shade. I’m trying to understand things and to make people understand the mindset of people in those situations and the mindset of the viewers. None of that stuff should have been public. Y&R should have had a gag order in place from the start. It was handled in the wrong way. It was as if MM was used for publicity and to explain why he was fired. That created backlash, especially when his costars went public. Fans then were wondering if they were just scared for there jobs or maybe they held grudges or whatever. Now, people will never be happy because they were given information that will never be resolved in public. If I think the things I think, isn’t true that others could think the same way? If information is put out there, it should all be layed on the table…that would end the speculation. Speculation is killing Y&R.
I usually don’t respond to you anymore but I will this time just to say that Michael Muhney’s fans have no one to blame but themselves for most of this stuff getting out there.
They demanded to know and they attacked many of the Y&R stars on Twitter and other places demanding that they be told.
Poor Melody Thomas Scott was trying to be as nice as she could be and they just kept on and on at her. And she finally spoke out.
His fans left the stars with no other options but to speak out and the show because they were not going to let it die.
I didn’t want to know. I was satisfied with the first things that were said that he did something that left the show no choice. I have been around enough to know that a person who has just signed a new contract doesn’t lose that job so quickly unless he has done something to warrant firing. That was all I needed to know and that is what I still go with today.
Plus I believe Michael Muhney’s own words:
“Part of me feels this is because I’ve always been outspoken, and
sometimes I’ve been too outspoken. Sometimes I’ve walked around with a
big backpack full of hubris. That is entirely on me. CBS, Sony, and Jill
Phelps are not to blame for that.”
Michael Muhney was outspoken about everything during his tenure. Said things about his castmates on Twitter, attacked other soap stars on Twitter, and so much more. And then he and his fans wonder why more of them didn’t stand up for him when he got fired.
I just wonder if he does get the job on GH how the first meeting between him and Tony Geary will go after what he said about Geary when Geary won the Emmy and he didn’t.
You can’t go spouting off and saying whatever you want without later paying the consequences for it. We have freedom of speech — not freedom of consequences.
Soap opera fans are the worst. Small minded-twits that haven’t gotten laid in years. The obsession to this petty BS is astounding. Talk about shut-ins. I see them all sitting in the old folks home talking trash while they sit in their own diapers filled with poo.
And Robert Keller Kelley is a snake!
Muhney has no legal recourse. The source of the smear has never been exposed, so who can he sue? Also, he’s a public figure and it becomes very difficult to pursue legal remedies. He’s publicly denied the smear. People will chose to believe it or not. In the meantime, he’s announced a film deal and is in negotiations on other projects, so it appears he’s moved on. Of course, the soap crazies still say the same stuff over and over again.
For starters, if the actions that resulted in his firing – and he was fired – are not true, he can sue Sony (Y&R’s producers) for wrongful termination. While the “source of the smear” may not be public knowledge, I’m sure the parties involved have a pretty good idea, if not confirmation, of where the news originated.
If I was accused of something as serious as Mr. Muhney was, I would do more than just “publicly deny the smear”. That is the absolute least that he could do…if he is indeed innocent.
Actually, Jay, Muhney was not fired for any particular actions, and there were absolutely no gounds for wrongful termination. They just let him go, as they have with many other actors, without any reason provided …. and they were well within their legal rights to do so. Actor contracts set up under this union are extremely one sided; while the actor is obligated to perform the contract for the term required (in his case, it was two years), the studio is permitted to let the actor go every 13 weeks, without any reason necessitated at all. It is a very, very weak union and the contracts literally guartantee nothing more than 13-week clips at a time.
At the time of his termination, Muhney was about six months into a two-year contract that he had signed earlier that year in June and, if it had run its course, the contract would have expired June 2015. Having said that, CBS/Sony were operating well within their rights under the contract. They never accused Muhney of anything and simply exercised their contractual rights. And they have done so innumerable times in the past. They never commented on sexual harrassment or any other rumor; they never would and they were absolutely within their rights not to. And Muhney never responded to any allegations made on blogs, tweets and rumor-mongering sources, except to deny them … which is all he can do legally and all he should do. In my opinion, both sides handled the issue quite correctly. The issues arose from social media outlets over which neither side had any control. Both sides have waited patiently for the nonsense to die down. Yesterday, Muhney tweeted he will be in NY this week to attend various business meetings and that he will soon be filming a movie. CBS/Sony are attempting to move on from him, MS and BM. I wish all parties involved the best of luck.
Jay, I was trying to respond to you with some things of which I am aware, and for some reason the comment came out below by “Guest” rather than by me. Sorry for the confusion. At any rate, it is not really that important …
You probably weren’t logged in prior to posting.
Probably … thanks …
I totally agree with you Jason. Muhney was not fired for any particular actions, and there were absolutely no gounds for wrongful termination. They just let him go, as they have with many other actors, without any reason provided …. and they were well within their legal rights to do so. Actor contracts set up under this union are extremely one sided; while the actor is obligated to perform the contract for the term required (in his case, it was two years), the studio is permitted to let the actor go every 13 weeks, without any reason necessitated at all. It is a very, very weak union and the contracts literally guartantee nothing more than 13-week clips at a time.
At the time of his termination, Muhney was about six months into a two-year contract that he had signed earlier that year in June and, if it had run its course, the contract would have expired June 2015. Having said that, CBS/Sony were operating well within their rights under the contract. They never accused Muhney of anything and simply exercised their contractual rights. And they have done so innumerable times in the past. They never commented on sexual harrassment or any other rumor; they never would and they were absolutely within their rights not to. And Muhney never responded to any allegations made on blogs, tweets and rumor-mongering sources, except to deny them … which is all he can do legally and all he should do. In my opinion, both sides handled the issue quite correctly. The issues arose from social media outlets over which neither side had any control. Both sides have waited patiently for the nonsense to die down. As you stated, yesterday, Muhney tweeted he will be in NY this week to attend various business meetings and that he will soon be filming a movie. CBS/Sony are attempting to move on from him, MS and BM. I wish all parties involved the best of luck.
It’s a pity his fans still haven’t moved on. They are still harassing Y&R fans, as well as the cast.
The only person harassing people on this board is you. STFU you a-hole.
You shouldn’t mimic your husband.
Rumors are going around that Michael Muhney might be joining GH,I can understand why another soap didn’t sign Muhney right after he was let go by Y&R because of the controoversy and them not wanting to be caught up it.However maybe now enough time has passed that the controversy has subsided a little that another soap might be willing to take their chances with him.
I think controversy is good most of the time. When the story broke at Y&R, there was a rise in ratings. What hurt them is when the MM costars continually attacked him so publicly. The Y&R performers suddenly became real backstabbing “people”. They were and still are no longer just characters. They’re viewed as people that vilified him in public. The Y&R fans whom love MM can’t watch and get lost in the characters, knowing they are the “people” that betrayed Y&R and it’s fans.
I agree.Plus maybe Y&R wanted this controversy to go away once they let Michael Muhney go but the other actors kept talking about it.Plus that could explain why Michael Muhney has not said much about what happened because he knew no matter what he said it would just keep the controversy going and possibly hurt his chances of getting hired by another show.
Yes that rumor is going around and it wouldn’t surprise me. After all they were the only ones who would give RKK a job when everyone else has stayed away from him. To me if someone is known to have a problem you are just opening yourself up for a possible lawsuit if it happens and you knew it was a possibility. The way these budgets are for the final 4 soaps — a good lawsuit could put any of them in jeopardy.
Well, apparently you’ve decided to believe the smear against MM, but it isn’t true. He was let go because he didn’t get along with Eric Braeden and his clique. When Sharon Case shows her support for MM publicly, I’ll believer her over the TMZ sleaze machine any day. She knows him, you don’t. I love to read “those behind the scenes”. Sounds just like the Enquirer’s garbage machine spewing its lies. Y&R has created huge animosity towards it. MM’s fans absolutely hate that show, Phelps, and the backstabbing actors like Braeden, Thomas-Scott, Davidson, Rikaart, and St. John. Now they get their comeuppance. A show dying right before their eyes. No sympathy here.
I certainly agree that Sharon Case is a very classy lady. She remains a true blue friend through the deepest of hours. I admire the woman so much for those qualities, I truly do.
It doesn’t matter to me whether he did it or not. I just believe what the majority of Y&R cast mates said in that he did something that left Sony no choice but to fire him. Even he said that in his interview. People like Kristoff St. John and Eileen Davidson are trustworthy enough that neither one of them would have ever put their careers in line or jeopardy with their fans to have lied for the show.
I do not fault Sharon Case for standing behind her friend.
No matter whether I believe he did it or not, I still didn’t like Michael Muhney and I never will. He was arrogant and always saying things he never should have said. Just like Eric Braedan. And I have never liked him as a person either. I wouldn’t want to ever spend 5 minutes with either one of their arrogant behinds. But I can appreciate their characters on the show.
I am a fan of Y&R and put the show before my like or dislike of any actor.
If the show wanted Michael Muhney gone i’m sure there were easier ways then to spread false rumors that he may have sexually harassed Hunter King because that could have opened up them up to a lawsuit.Also Sharon Case has every right to support her friend but i’m wondering if she ever said that Muhney told her that he was innocent?No one can ever know someone else 100%.As for Michael Muhney leaving i read in the January 13th issue of SOD that Y&R had decided to let him go a long time before they did.Plus reportedly his contract was up for renewal at the end of 2013.Plus even Maria Arena Bell said she was a fan of Michael Muhney the actor but not Michael Muhney the person.She even said he should have been released even sooner than he was because of his actions behind the scenes.I know Maria Arena Bell no longer works at Y&R but she may still have connections there in which she hears stuff that has happened.
Aren’t you doing the very same thing that you’re accusing TvBuff of? You clearly have chosen to believe that Muhney was fired because of Braeden and his clique. Who exactly is apart of his clique? Sharon Case showed her support because she is a close and personal friend of his. That doesn’t mean he didn’t do what he was accused of. We all have friends who have disappointed us, that doesn’t always mean we stop being their friend. To my knowledge Sharon Case have never publicly denied that Muhney was guilty. She wanted his ex coworkers to shut up about the incident. She chose to be a friend. No one cares about Muhney fans anymore. The only time they are acknowledged is when they come here crying.
For a jerk that slams Michael Muhney, you sure are obsessed with him. I guess people like you enjoy spreading trash. Somehow I expect you to attack his wife and kids next. I’ll probably read about you trying to physically attack him some day. You are a dangerous, very sick individual. You add nothing to this web site. Nothing.
The only time I bring up Muhney is when his she-dogs come here whining about him. Why would I attack his wife or children? Having a predator for a husband and father is punishment enough.
The only predator around here is you. You sick twisted swine.
Said the woman who married her abuser? I’m pretty sure the warning signs were there. It’s no wonder you have a thing flawed men. Take my advice…bad boys will always do you wrong. Muhney will only disappoint you again. I bet he won’t be doing any love scenes in his upcoming film.
Shut up you vile jerk. YOU know nothing about me, but your type is plainly evident in your disgusting conduct here. You have no morals or sense of decency. Disgusting swine.
Amen! Misery loves company. I don’t know what they are most upset about, the fact that Y&R hasn’t announced it cancellation, or the fact that they are still very much interested. Lord help us if Sony/CBS can turn things around. Then what?
And if YR had kept MM on the scene, all of the haters on this site & other sites would be saying, oh my God, YR has a sexual harasser on their cast, & cursing Phelps for NOT letting him go. I JUST IGNORE ALL THESE ASSHOLES…
The trouble is: Y&R put stuff out there instead of having a gag order from the start.
No Y&R did not put anything out there official until days afterward — only when Muhney fans kept demanding it. All the stuff originally came from “those people close to the set” or the actors. The actors were evidently not told they couldn’t talk and at first they all tried to say it was something that left the show with no choice. The story actually broke from a poster on the Internet who either worked for the shows or knew someone who did. They posted it on message boards and the story got picked up. Nothing came from CBS until days later. None of the producers at Y&R or anyone with Sony have spoken on it at all. The closest to anyone official was Maria Bell the last EP of the show.
Don’t the shows already have a rule that they shouldn’t talk about such matters? Why weren’t the performers told not to say anything to begin with?
Would it be JFP’s job to tell them not to talk about it?
MAB never got last place in ANY demo. The show was much better under her tenure.
That is definitely a matter of opinion. Lynn M. Latham never got the low ratings that MAB got either but that isn’t to say her Y&R wasn’t bad either.
MAB never got ratings as high as 7 year highs that Phelps got this year either.
Neither three of them get what Y&R is supposed to be and all of them suck in their own way. There are things I like about all 3 and things I absolutely hate about all 3.
But I will take this version of Y&R without the overbloated cast of ABC refugees and old sitcom refugees anyday.
You’ve been boycotting since January, yet you still make it your priority to offer an opinion on a sinking ship you do not watch? For a show that you despise you sure do run here every chance you get to comment on it. I laugh that you’re never around when Y&R gain viewers. I can’t imagine sitting around being miserable that my soap hunk doesn’t have a soap to call home.
Please quit stalking me. I don’t read your comments because they mean nothing to me, but I’m tired of your conduct here. I have every right to express my opinion without your harassment. Leave me alone.
Stalking? It’s time to learned how the internet works. Don’t post on a public message blog if you don’t want certain people to reply to you. I have every right to respond to your nonsense.
What gives you the right to bully people on this web site? I’ve read you’re nasty comments and insults directed at anyone who has a different opinion than yours. You called one person a troll which is hilarious. YOU are the troll here assh0le.
Whoa you haven’t been around in weeks. What a coinkidink that as soon I respond to Red you show up.
You might be privy to know that you can’t just simply flag my comments to have them removed. Time to put those multiple usernames of yours to use. LOL
Trolls take pleasure in annoying people. I get no pleasure from communicating with you.
I speak for myself you feral pig. You don’t come here to discuss anything. You just abuse. I had an abusive husband like you and he’s in jail. I’m sure you’re the exact same as he was. As I told him, eat sh!t and die.
It’s funny that you call me an abuser, but you seem to be the only person name calling around here. Please stop directing your unresolved issues that you clearly have with your husband towards me. I am not your husband! Nor am I am into rotten sushi. Please seek counseling for your depression and rage issues.
I came here to express an opinion and you personally attacked me immediately. Stop directing you vile and poisonous comments at me. You are an abusive pig. You’re a criminal and downright evil.
My response was not an attack. I merely questioned why someone like you who’s given up on the show still cares so much. You’re the one who got all hostile over peanuts.
I have been reading your abusive and inflammatory remarks throughout this comment board. You exhibit an unhealthy & contradictory personality trait of anger and isolation. You should seek professional help in dealing with these problems. Your open hostility exhibited to other participants here is symptomatic of a truly troubled person locked into a world of fiction and fantasy. It’s escapist and a real need to avoid reality and your personal problems. Get help ASAP. God help you.
You bypassed at least a dozen comments calling me the most deplorable things just to tell ME to seek help? You should say what you really feel, and stop hiding behind your psychobabble BS. The last thing I would ever do is take advice from some internet nobody seeking to diagnose me because they have an undergraduate degree. Do save your God for Sunday morning, Ma’am.
As a reminder, if you love the soap genre, please stay away from all talk, game and cooking shows.
Sorry but my watching Let’s Make A Deal, The Price Is Right, or even The Chew has nothing to do with my like of the soap genre. If a show is good and enjoyable I will watch it.
PLEASE STOP! DON’T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE! While I am not a big fan of JFP, I have to be honest, she is not the only reason for the decline. Y&R lost actors. Why are you not calling out GH since they lost in all areas and even Y&R didn’t lose in all areas. So tired of other soaps getting called out ALL the time and GH skates because the mags and soap sites refuse to call out the almighty GH ABC and Frank Valentini. GH doesn’t even resemble GH anymore and the bringing on of Y&R MS did nothing yet GH doesn’t get called out. Just like adding the OLTL characters did nothing for GH, yet TIIC didn’t get called out for that or for their insistence on adding them because they couldn’t accept losing their OLTL so they destroyed GH. Also many fans don’t buy into Frank Valentini not making Kimberly McCullough recurring since he works with ALL other actors. Kimberly could have been given a deal she couldn’t refuse like MS got. Kimberly McCullough said she was OK with AS directing but she is loyal to GH and covers for them even when FV and ABC don’t deserve it. Some fans are smarter and see right through Frank Valentini lies. Robin and her fans should have gotten their Happy Ending not ruining Robin so her hubby gets to move on. That was a huge mistake that lost many GH viewers. FV complained about money when it came to Kimberly McCullough but not Michelle Stafford. Said Kimberly couldn’t direct because not fair to others yet lets AS DOOL direct. Kimberly also watched, since a child on GH, their directors. Can we please have SON, Michael Fairman, Michael Logan and others stop trying to kill the #1 soap Y&R while praising others like GH who are really hurting and losing.
Yes GH lost in all areas ratings wise.However setting or tying new lows every week like Y&R are doing.As for GH yes Allison Sweeney will be directing there but that’s all she’s doing.As far as i know she’s not going to be acting on GH.As for Kimberly McCullough yes she might be willing to recur on GH but the show might need her more than that because of how prominent Robin is on the show.Plus considering where GH was a couple of years ago and where they are now i think it’s a positive sign.
You need to calm down. You’re scaring me. They are not trying to kill the #1 (rated/not best) soap. YawneR is doing that all on it’s own. The fans don’t
want to hang in there as long as I think they should. It will get worse before it gets better, but you just have to wait for JFP to iron out the wrinkles.
Please this site the people who post on it have called out GH plenty of times. Your comments that only Y&R is called out holds no merit. The one thing that annoys me is the GH doesnt resemble GH any longer. Well what GH used to be wasnt doing anything for the ratings. However a lot of what GH has been in the past is still part of the show, just people like you who chose to be choosy. JFP was a big reason that GH went into the decline it did she left and although took time things turned aorund for GH. She went to Y&R changed storylines etc and now that show is in a rapid decline
How do you know KM was NOT offered to direct ?..Maybe she did and she did refuse because she wanted to direct somewhere else ? Eyeroll..AS was offered the job..so what ? She should have refused in order to please you..randomn internet poster ? Pleassse..these comments are ridiculous, bitter and pitiful.
Y&R is dying from sheer lack of vision & direction , not to mention Jill Firing Phelps unjust decisions like letting great ACTOR,Billy Miller(would NOT give time off for a small project!) same for Michelle & the disgraceful way they treated their TRUE STAR Michael Muhney! A sham her reasons for firing him & the LACK OF RESPECT to all viewers opinions up to today. I just cannot get into Summer, Lilly?!, Noah … And now the Winters are made to look like trash:(! Hmmm wonder Why!?
Lala, couldn’t have said it better. Now Stafford & Miller are headed to GH and Muhney announced a film deal today. JFP has wrecked Y&R. I don’t want to watch her friends Steve Farren Burton and Hunter Farren King. They are horrible, just like the show. Y&R is losing viewers for one reason: It’s a lousy show.
Isn’t it wonderful that you don’t have to watch? I’m sure Muhney’s Lifetime movie will be wonderful!
Is Michael Muhney’s “film” airing on Lifetime? That is hilarious…most of Lifetime’s movie are nothing but pure cheese. Whenever I hear the phrase “Lifetime Original Movie” I can’t help but think of that award winning movie “Mother, May I Sleep With Danger” starring the wonderfully talented Tori Spelling.
I don’t know, I’m just guessing at this point, but I imagine it’s a Made-for-TV movie. I checked IMBD and his name isn’t billed anywhere. Even films that are years away from production have their cast listed, especially since Muhney has mentioned it publicly. I haven’t heard anything about his movie from the major gossip blogs either.
Do you watch SNL? I remember some years ago they had a skit with Anna Faris and Bill Hader. The skit was a game show based on Lifetime movies. The questions/answers were about “Tanya” the troubled teenage daughter, “Boy Tanya” who’s promiscuous, and into drugs. Oh, and who can forget the always inevitable abusive husband. LOL
Even Celebrity Dirty Laundry — the site that just loves him and keeps the rumor going about him joining GH — doesn’t have details on the movie. He put it on Twitter that he was doing a movie and that’s it.
Maybe the movie doesn’t have a title yet? I have to say I can’t see him not wanting brag if it was a major film role.
As usual, you don’t know what the eff you’re talking about. Just make crap up. You’re good at that since your just full of crap.
Fine! I’m happy he got a role in a film playing extra #88.
Quit harassing people. That’s all you do here. Leave the woman alone.
The new adjustment to the comments must be killing you. By now you would have gotten all of my comments removed. Cheers!
JFP is not responsible for firing Muhney Sony and CBS made the decision to remove him. After all of this time how is it possible for you and others to not understand that? Stafford made the decision to leave so that she can have control over her character and storylines, which is why she is on GH. In the case of Miller, how much time off were they suppose to continue to give him? He doesn’t want to be a soap actor. Your anger would be more useful on a real cause. LOL true star…don’t make me vomit.
it was reported that it was CBS and Sony who wanted Muhney but since JFP is the executive producer of Y&R she was the one who had to tell Muhney.So she got the heat from the fans because she’s the boss at the show.However maybe JFP wanted him to stay but she got overruled by her bosses at CBS and Sony.
In the Huffington Post interview with Muhney he defended JFP, saying she had nothing to do with it. I guess since his fans have no idea who at Sony wanted him gone, JFP is just the easy scapegoat for their misguided anger.
JFP is endlessly vindictive and any actor would go out of their way to ensure she isn’t blamed for her own transgressions even when she IS to blame. Can’t think of a single other person so impactful to the downfall of soaps over the last fifteen years.
No one believes you jerk. Shut up.
There is that displeasing temper I’ve come to despise.
No soaps are safe. Any soap can die. Ratings are a factor, but profit is key. A soap needs high ratings if they are constantly involved in predatory lawsuits.
Only 64,000 viewers in the 18-49 demo separate the four soaps, with DAYS on the upswing and Y&R in a downward spiral.
Last year in that demo DOOL was in 3 place with 565,000 viewers and above 4th place GH by 42,000 viewers.Now this year the show is 4th place with 559,000 viewers and behind 3rd place GH by 19,000 viewers.So over the last year GH has gained 61,000 more viewers than Days did.So Days had some gains this week and that’s great but compared to last year they’re not doing so good.
What I see is a 101,000 gain for DAYS on GH this week. DAYS is clearly on an upswing!
In the 18-34 demo, DAYS is on the upswing in second place, gaining ground on GH!
In the demo last year the show was in 3rd place with 173,000 viewers and 3,000 viewers above 4th place GH.Now this year they are in second place but 65,000 viewers behind GH.So over the last year GH gained 68,000 more than Days.
But once again, DAYS is in an upswing.
DAYS has made an impressive jump in the 25-54 demo…+60,000!!!!!!
In that demo last year DOOL had 753,000 viewers and was in 3rd place 52,000 viewers above GH.Now this year they are in 4th place and 37,000 behind GH.Over the last year GH gained 89,000 than Days did.
Yea, but +60,000 for DAYS and -40,000 for GH = 100,000 difference in one week. Imagine if that were to happen a few weeks in a row.
Yeah that happened this week but ratings are like a cycle.There are periods of good ratings and periods of bad ratings,For example last year at this time Days had 2,597,000 viewers in total and GH had 2,332,000 viewers in total.So last year Days was ahead of GH by 265,000 viewers.Now this year GH is ahead of DOOL by 405,000 viewers.So over the last year GH has gained 670,000 viewers more than Days.Week to week ratings are good way to determine a few things but the networks and the shows may look how a soap is doing over a long period and not just week to week.Plus this previous week Days started off badly on Monday and then rebounded back up Tuesday, However after Tuesday the show went down each day after that.
I hoping DAYS goes up and stays up!
No one is saying anything that positive about the story lines on GH these days. It used to be my favorite soap but now I find it virtually unwatchable. What has happened to all the talent in the soap writing world…
In the latest ratings report which was for the week of July 7-11GH went up in total viewers.So for that week at least people were watching GH.
DAYS is up in total viewers three weeks in a row!!!
Yeah Days had 3 straight weeks of gains and that’s great.However all it would take is one bad week to take away all those gains.Plus the show is far down from where they were last year.As for the week of June 30-July 4th i would have thought the show would have better ratings because of EJ and Sami’s wedding and what would happen there.Yeah Tuesday which was the first day of the wedding had great ratings but then they went down each day after that.Plus if they had counted Friday’s episode Days still would have had a gain fro the week but only by a thousand or so viewers.
The small gains for DAYS are actually big when you consider the time of year and compared to the other three soaps. Comparing to last year is a bit misleading because last years growth was extraordinary. Plus, the year is not over…Kristen is almost here!!!
I know that comparing last year’s ratings to this year’s isn’t fair because each year is different.As for Kristen yes i’m sure some people will tune in to watch her but then the question then becomes will they stick around after she leaves?I can’t wait to see what the ratings will be after Eileen,Allison and James all leave in the Fall and how handles the departures.I know that Eileen Davidson has said she’ll do Days again but since the show tapes so far in advance she’ll might not reappear on Days until next year.So i hope the show has big plans to get fans to tune in after those 3 actors leave.I know that one or 2 actors don’t make a show but EJ and Sami have carried story for so long that it could be interesting to see who replaces them.
I’m sure some of the replacements are already there. We already see Kassie DePaiva…Eve will be evil by the time Kristen arrives. She’ll most likely be the one who sends Kristen running!
I also think Eve will become a major character on the show in the near future.I know right now Eve is after Daniel but it wouldn’t surprise me if she goes after Brady in the future and that could pit her against Theresa or even the show could pair her up with JJ.As for Kristen since she’ll be leaving until around the same time as EJ and Sami i’m wondering if the 3 exits will be connected somehow.
Maybe she’ll turn out to be Susan!
You bring up very good points, Andrew. I’ve been watching #Days since May 2013 … certainly not a very long time for daytime soaps … but I have clearly come to understand the characters and enjoy (sometimes get annoyed by) all of them. I will be very sad to see AS and JS leave … especially JS … so I am enjoying every moment that I can. In particular, I loved today’s interaction between Sami and EJ. Indeed it will be interesting to see how life goes on in Salem after their departure. All executive moves going forward will be extremely decisive.
That is excellent news. They are standing at an important point in S/Ls, which according to directions taken can go up or down. Obviously, I’m voting for “up.”
In regard to Days random question does Wally Kurth still work on the show. I know before he was doing both as Days taping schedule allowed him to tape and be on GH. Lately however I havent seen him at all on Days (granted in the last couple of years he wasnt used often to beign with) but just wonder if anyone has the iformation ashe has been popping up on Gh a lot more lately
Wally Kurth is on recurring status on DOOL.However back in April Wally told SOD that when GH wanted him back for a few episodes he said yes because Days wasn’t using him that much and that his character Justin wasn’t involved in heavy story.He even told Days that he’d be doing GH even though he was under no legal obligation to do it.Plus i read in ABC Soaps In Depth that he’s going back to GH to do more episodes soon.
I love Wally K as Ned on GH; he is okay as Justin…I like him … but he has a little special glint as Ned… lol, he even looks younger. Either way, I love Wally Kurth.
I’m glad he’s working. I was wanting to see Justin and Adrienne a lot more, but I guess that’s not in the cards.
Because of DAYS’ gain of 18,000 and GH’s loss of 175,000, DAYS closed the gap by 193,000 viewers.
I hope Pat Ferrando isn’t the “happy flagger”. Maybe he’s just at a loss for words.
@Sands of Time – We get it. You’re a DAYS lobbyist. Fine. Keep posting pro-DAYS stuff if that’s how you want to spend your time. But, you don’t have to denigrate other soaps to make DAYS look better.
Actually, I hold back a lot. I’m seeing denigration by fans for their own soaps. I’m a supporter of the genre and I do hope the soaps survive, but I want their survival to be based on a high quality product. I would not be able to say half of what I do if Y&R had not been so public about certain things. To me, they tried a publicity stunt that backfired.
I agree with you, Sands: I also am seeing much denigration by fans for their own soaps … more so that in the past. I’m not a long, long-term viewer, but five years ago it seemed many more viewers were passionate. Lack of such passion should be linked back to TPTB; viewers wants daytime soap in their life; it took a lackluster production group that denied them such a simple pleasure. Let us hope there is still time to raise the calibre in daytime serial programming. It is time for a lessening of calls for actors who have moved on and much more emphasis of demanding winning S/Ls, good writing, and believable, consistent dialogue.
BTW, use “reply” if you would actually like me to see your comment, otherwise, you come off as being a backstabber like the very public MM co-stars!
I agree that some of Michael Muhney’s co-stars should have kept their opinions to themselves but they still have the right to them and to voice them.
They do, but it blew up in their faces. There are fans that have abandoned the show because of their nastiness on twitter and Facebook. Long time fans have walked due to their behavior.
I only know of three: Melody Thomas Scott, Joshua Morrow and the one that plays Neil. Were there others?
18-34 year old’s aren’t exactly who I call long time fans. No one believes the rantings of Muhney fans who claim to be 40 year viewers of Y&R. Anyone who has been watching soaps for that long would be use to casting changes. I’m more inclined to believe that people left over poor writing, and not because of one or two soap actors. Long time viewers have put up with a lot more than that, and they don’t go on the internet to demand cancellation because they are unhappy.
As you know, Bexx, I don’t wath Y&R, but I do agree with you: Most people leave any show either because of a change in life style, but more often because the writing no longer inspires them. And it is usually a gradual decision; the longer term viewer that one is, the longer it takes to abandon hope.
Thanks! I just didn’t buy this mantra that Muhney fans were all boycotting after 40 years of continuous viewership. That’s not how most soap fans operate. It takes a lot for us to move on to another soap, its usually frustration that has been building for a while. I grew up watching all the ABC soaps back-to-back with my mom, but later down the road I switched to the NBC ones. I even gave Passions a try simple because I loved the genre, but I’ve stayed with Y&R the longest because I love the characters. Victor, Paul, and Jill are my favorites.
Don’t waste your time! You’re dealing with a troll who spams stupid crap like Muhney and Miller are in “talks” to join DOOL. This is also the same troll who brings up the behavior of a dead woman every week in an attempt to bait Y&R fans. You are better off ignoring it.
Not DOOL, I read that they’re going to GH. I have not brought up a certain subject EVERY week. When I have, it has not been to cause trouble. At any rate, I don’t want to add to the smearing, so I’ve decided not to bring up that subject anymore…and not because of you, but because of someone nicer and the simple fact that it’s best to drop the subject when the person is not around to defend herself. I’m not a troll. If you don’t understand someone trying to understand, so be it.
For me, Y&R will never be the battleship it was during their first 20 years, but the show could be a whole lot better with just a few tweeks. We need better, more exicting stories that don’t take forever to play out. Is there anyone who is not sick to death of Stitch’s secret? Reveal the f’kg thing already. I’m no fan of the Adam character but a lot of the viewers were. Why haven’t they brought the popular “character” back already? Again drag everything out to the nth degree. And stop repeating the same stories with the same characters. Weren’t Neil and Devon involved with the same woman years ago? Why are they doing this again? And Sharon and Nick together again. Wow, what a shocker that one is. I like them together but we all know as soon as the Phylis character returns, all of Sharon’s secrets will be exposed and Nick will run out the door again. Yawn…. And don’t get me started on Jill’s COMPLETELY stupid storyline since Kay’s death. WTF?
I completely agree! All the women seem SILLY ! Yawn indeed!
Y&R ratings are low because the show stinks. I stopped watching when Michael Muhney left & never went back. Worst show on TV.
I would like to thank everybody for participating on this forum! I would also like to thank SON and the moderators!
#Days is starting to hit some raw nerves for me. The first few days were great. Now we are getting innudated with the Hortons … mother and children … lashing out at EJ (the predator), with Abby (the fair young maiden) …. and Sami over the top with revenge. Not to mention Eric (whose sanctimony is rivaling the Hortons, LOL). Now I realize where you stand in S/Ls is intermingled with which characters you like (or dislike) but #Days is beginning to disappoint me once again. They have a splendid potential s/l (including the interesting juxtaposition of Eve, Paige and JJ), along with the potential of Dan and Eve …. but once again they are shining their bright light of “goodness” on the Hortons, Eric … and I am sure they are making their rounds. Why can’t this soap simply tell a story … let the viewers make up their minds. And why must characters be deemed “heros” or “villians”? Rather tell a subtle tale of humanity … exaggerated, of course, to keep it “soapy” … but weave the grey in each character. Well, fingers crossed …. they have some interesting places to go … I sincerely hope they go there.
I’m eating it up! What do you think about Theresa?
Usually she annoys me, but I’m enjoying this story with Brady and John. My favorite actor is James Scott …. I love EJ with everyone and anyone … and I really love Eve … she can handle herself, she’s a great blend, they need more of that kind of character. Basically I like everyone … Marlena, Kate, Hope … Aiden really has a winning personality. Even Daniel is better with Eve. I simply cannot stand Jennifer … I fluctuate with Abby and JJ depending on the S/L, but Jennifer is so self-righteous. Sami is funny, even though she is over the top I will miss her. And, of course, I will miss EJ. Eric is grating, but that’s just me, LOL. The S/Ls have tremendous potential … they just need to tone down self-righteous Jennifer.
Not sure why it would take someone weeks to figure out that trashing a dead woman is toxic behavior. People like TvBuff want to see the good in trolls, but they never change. They aren’t trying to “understand” anything. The Jeanne situation has been explained multiple times, and yet they continued to trash her. Next week they will posting their YawneR catch-phrase all over this board and TVBTN with the only intent being to troll.
Since you brought it up, I was not trashing anyone by asking if and suggesting that maybe there is a corelation between the Jeanie and MM situations. Deal with it…Maybe YawneR should have!
I rest my case!
And I tried to rest mine…The Young and the Restless
Ignore this swine. He calls himself a troll. He certainly knows his own lack of character. To read his judgmental comments are laughable when the source is troll.
I believe you replied to the wrong person.
There’s no need to be sorry!
The internet is not a source for psychological treatment. You clearly need professional help. You’re never going to remarry with all that hate still inside of you. Do you want to be a spinster for the remainder of your life?
First of all, THANKS to those that come on here to actually post thoughtful comments. The same negative ones say the same thing week after week so it’s easy just to skip anything they post.
What I think is interesting is that while YR struggles in the demos, they are still first in three of the four categories. It seems like the demos are collapsing right along with YR’s numbers. GH has now fallen to 3rd in the 18-49 demo and was the only show down in all categories. In fact they’ve lost total viewers four weeks in a row.
Days is still in that scary 1.8 household rating overall.
I think all the shows have work to do.
New EP talent at YR will ONLY work if they bring someone in who is familiar with the show, and I think Bell is getting lazy at BB since Alden was let go.
This year, unlike last, is not boding well for any show. GH, if it can maintain its increase in TOTAL viewers over last year, is the only success story for them.
DAYS was preempted on the 17th for news coverage involving the 777. I assume that some markets were able to air the episode, but because so many markets did not, it was deemed nationally preempted. How many markets have to be preempted before NBC will rebroadcast an episode? In situations where they don’t plan to rebroadcast the next day, how big do the markets have to be to air late at night?
Usually if a soap is preempted entirely then it is aired fully the next day.In markets that did air Days yesterday they might just repeat the episode today or air something else.
Yes, but how many markets have to be preempted in order for the episode to be delayed one day?
I live in Wisconsin where the show comes on at noon CST and it was preempted entirely yesterday.So today NBC is airing yesterday’s show today.To answer your question all it might take NBC to air an episode that was preempted fully the previous day is if one or more parts of the nation was preempted.
I lived in the St. Louis area years ago. They would air preempted episodes around 2:00 am. Is that common in smaller markets? If the market is huge, would the rescheduled time be different? Is it safe to assume small markets don’t bother?
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