Bell-Phillip Television Productions; Corday Productions, Inc.
Ratings Report for the Week of July 21-25, 2014
NOTE: Please do not copy and paste the entire ratings. Thank you.
Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings
(Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)
1. Y&R 4,521,000 (-15,000/-227,000)
2. B&B 3,513,000 (-64,000/-82,000)
3. GH 2,882,000 (-17,000/+343,000)
4. DAYS 2,286,000 (-217,000/-276,000)
1. Y&R 3.3/11 (-.1/-.1)
2. B&B 2.6/8 (same/same)
3. GH 2.1/7 (-.1/+.2)
4. DAYS 1.7/5 (-.2/-.2)
Women 18-49 Viewers
1. Y&R 701,000 (-28,000/-130,000)
2. B&B 578,000 (-32,000/-83,000)
3. GH 550,000 (-22,000/-63,000)
4. DAYS 456,000 (-141,000/-131,000)
Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 1.1/8 (same/-.2)
2. B&B 0.9/6 (-.1/-.1)
2. GH 0.9/6 (same/-.1)
4. DAYS 0.7/5 (-.2/-.2) <—— ties low
Women 18-34 Viewers
1. Y&R 200,000 (+46,000/-30,000)
2. B&B 177,000 (+43,000/-28,000)
2. GH 177,000 (-32,000/-16,000)
4. DAYS 129,000 (+11,000/-48,000)
Women 18-34 Rating
1. Y&R 0.6 (+.1/-.1)
2. B&B 0.5 (+.1/-.1)
2. GH 0.5 (-.1/-.1)
4. DAYS 0.4 (+.1/-.1)
Women 25-54 Viewers
1. Y&R 1,092,000 (-59,000/-114,000)
2. B&B 864,000 (-34,000/-35,000)
3. GH 747,000 (-100,000/-59,000)
4. DAYS 605,000 (-189,000/-129,000)
Women 25-54 Rating
1. Y&R 1.8 (-.1/-.2)
2. B&B 1.4 (-.1/-.1)
3. GH 1.2 (-.2/-.1)
4. DAYS 1.0 (-.3/-.2)
Day-To-Day Ratings – HH/Total Viewers
ron needs to bring brenda and laura back
Well deserved for Days. You reap what you saw.
Sami being treated as the ‘bad guy’ by everybody and their mothers whereas she is the one who has been screwed up and the slutty mistress Abby being treated the ‘good guy’ sainted one is a total turn off..i don’t watch this BS Ken Corday.
And her revenge is too mild. In real life sleazy cheaters get more hardcore commeuppance. And it is well deserved.
And just so you know Abby and her portrayer is not someone i am looking forward to watch on my screen and i would even root for. FORGET IT.
And the perils of Daniel and Jennifer : i don’t give a damn. Even Kristen with the same always delusional obsessions bores me.
Eric and Nicole’s story: wash, rinse and repeat. BORING.
Jordan’s story : just boring.
JJ and Paige : boring boring boring.
To sum up Jennifer and her evil slutty spawns are just not worthy of any screen time..Horton or NOT !
p.s : i am on the demos..too bad nothing you write make me want to watch your show..
Do calm down.
What ? You don’t like the truth ?…sometimes truth hurts..lmao.
I don’t watch DOOL and could care either way. You just seem to be overly hostile.
Why should we calm down. This is the worse writing for her and the show. I’ve been watching this since it started and we had some great stories.
I am not overtly hostile because i tell the cold hard truth. eyeroll.
YES. Every. Word.
Exactly! This writing is insulting. Sami being treated like a town pariah when she’s the victim. I’m sure Ali Sweeney really appreciated this writing in her last few months. I hope she never comes back. Maybe GH can hire her for acting and directing.
I’m beginning to wonder if the current writing for Sami and making her the town pariah as you say was because the show knew Allison Sweeney was leaving when these scenes/story was written.I think i read that Allison told the show she was leaving late last year,So the show had time to write these scenes to make Sami look as bad as they could.So i’m wondering if Allison wasn’t leaving would we be seeing something different onscreen right now?
I have to disagree. I think Sami has never been more interesting! I like the writing. The sets, not so much but the writing and acting is great. I have been watching for 6 years on and off and it has been consistently good for a year now.
I agree with you, Rob; I am enjoying Sami’s s/l also. It is giving AS a good last turn to show what she is worth as an actress. But I am annoyed with how everyone else (other than EJ and Caroline) is coming at her in an unfair and ridiculous manner …. they are all turning on her (including her own son) for only one reason: Abby. They agree Sami should slaughter EJ … but Abby is being shrouded and protected. This is just plain silly … and the writers are missing beats toward what could have been an excellent story. Even if you love Abby as a character, the actress would have had a far better s/l if she had come under the scrutiny of people who were shocked at her behavior… far more interesting .. at least, in my opinion.
Will and Sonny’s involvement makes no sense. And the recording of Kate, I agree that’s weak. The new Will has become must miss so I suppose they are trying to figure out a way to keep him relevant. I do love watching Sami scorned though. So far so good.
I would like to see Sami beheaded.
She will be gone soon..and then you will be able to enjoy your Jennifer/Abby/Daniel Horton show..ratings will skyrocket..i am sure..lol.
Stay away from Kate Mansi. You clearly let your hatred for Abby, the character, want to hurt Kate, the actress. I’ve seen your vicious attacks on the actress on many boards…seek help…it’s a soap opera.
I don’t need to ‘seek help’ but thanks for your concern. I only comment here so i don’t see how you could have seen ‘vicious attacks’ coming from me towards her on other boards..lol..but really..you are kind of funny. Maybe the girl doesn’t have many fans..it happens..
As for my ‘hatred’ for her..euh hatred, no, i just don’t like the character and can’t enjoy a show because she tarnish it with her being on air everydays..and i will express my displeasure about it if i want. If you have a problem with it..too bad, it is not mine.
As for the actress, i just don’t like her way of acting..actually i find it pretty hard and if she is in a profession when you are seen by an audience she has to expect critics. Think next time instead of throwing big words like ‘vicious’ ‘attack’ and ‘hatred’ about a second rate soap opera actress and a low ratings daytime soap..come on.
And you are the one who wants a character behaded, not me..i guess YOU really need to seek help in that case..it is just a soap opera..ha ha. Hypocrisy coming from people with really no self-awareness can be quite funny, i admit..
I feel like crying.
It’s not all bad when a soap is getting poor ratings .. hopefully tptb will take a good, hard look at the show and change some things, because viewers are obviously not “flocking” to DAYS.
I’m not so sure of that. Viewers might not be watching live or same day. They could be watching in the masses…late, which does not count.
I love the “flocking”!
I also hope Days sees these ratings and does something about them but since the show tapes so far in advance i don’t know if they can do much.Plus it could be interesting to see what the ratings are for this week with Kristen’s return when they come out next week.However i can’t wait to see what the ratings will be later in the year once Kristen,EJ and Sami are all gone and how the show deals with all 3 characters been gone.
The ratings will go down after they leave but if the writers don’t do something drastic this show will go off before 2016. So Mr Corday get off your a__ and get some new writers and get back to the “Old Days”, Now they are looking for 2 more guys, what for????
What happened to DOOL last week?
Awesome ratings for Days!!!
I should have been more clear. Awesome if you hate the show and want it to fail. I hope Ken Corday chokes on his sandwiches.
Ken Corday will be just fine. He’s not the one wishing for someone to choke.
I’m fine as well, especially when I see the abysmal ratings. The show deserves them.
Wow DAYS…………….WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?
Apparently, DAYS is so good, it turns some viewers into fanatics that turn against it when misery befalls their favorites.
euh…nope the writing is just total nonsense and one-sided..therefore really dumb even for a soap opera.
i agree with truth. The writing for Days is terrible. How can you possible liking Days. The show is in a mess. John gets hit by a fireplace poker stick by Theresa. Theresa is setting up Brady and making him take the fall. That storyline is dumb and dumber. The writers are depressed and mad as hell. Look when Kristen kidnapped Daniel and she thinks Daniel is going to lead Brady to her. She is a sick psycho. Sands of time you need to wake up and smell the coffee that the writers can’t come up with anything good. For Kristen kidnapping Daniel and torturing him is such a dumb storyline for the writers are making. The rating for Days is going to be down for a long time.
Wow!I guess it wasn’t a good week for the soaps
I loved and and am still loving DAYS. I think viewers are not watching episodes in a timely fashion. All viewers should watch the episodes the same DAYS they air.
All viewers should do what they want. And if Days suck for them, they don’t watch.
I’m not sure you understand what I’m saying, angst. There could be a lot more viewers watching than what the ratings reflect.
or NOT. I understand what you are saying, and i disagree..i don’t have this right ?
You do have a right to your opinion as I do. My opinion is you must have loved DAYS big time to become such a hater. You should back away from it completely.
The problem with Days is it went from the Sami/EJ show to the Daniel/Nicole show. The writing is just bad. I have never been a huge Days fan. I have watched it off and on for years. Lately every time I tune in it just doesnt interest me so I tune out.
You mean Daniel/Abby/Jennifer show..Nicole for now, is not on everydays like these 3 other boring, self-righteous folks.
You’re right that the ratings may not totally reflect how many people watch Days or any soap for that matter.However it’s up to each person to decide when they want to watch a show.
Well it is not just that, a show can have millions of other viewers but despite all that the viewers that set the budget are still those that watch Live plus 1 day. Advertising rates are set based on that, and those advertising rates are still the chief way these shows get financed. You can count all the viewers you want but the budget counts for those who watch live or quickly after they DVR the show.
You can still record and watch before 3AM the following day and it counts. Can’t blow through the commercials though. The thing is I FF and blow through the commercials. And I’m going to continue to do so. See the thing for me is these TV shows are a business. I don’t owe them any loyalty. They don’t pay my way in this world or anything thing else. If they don’t give me something I want to watch, I’ll turn it off. I’ve watched soaps since I was very young and I always watched for love in the afternoon. Days doesn’t have that right now so I’m not going to suffer through the show.
Well not a good week for soaps at all. At least 3 of them rose in the 18-34 demo.
Days really lost big time in the total viewers and 18-49 though.
Glad the losses in 18-49 were not too bad for Y&R and B&B and Y&R didn’t set anymore new lows.
Plus Days also lost big in the 25-54 demo.Since Days did okay in the 18-34 demo but not in 18-49 and 25-54 demos i’m taking from it that they do okay in 18-25 age range.
Wow did not see this one coming for DAYS….its been great the last few weeks…and now a ratings drop,what gives….i know i don’t watch it when it airs,i watch it on Computer at night…..Everyone is talking about it right now ,but the ratings show nothing…..Tim a DAYS Fan of 42 years……
Firstly, as someone suggested, I am sure all the soaps lose “viewers” who DVR but watch later than the “same day” timeline … and, of course, if you are not a member of the Nielsen family to begin with, it really does not matter when or if you watch. But since that is across the board, all soaps suffer equally. Secondly, in the summertime, many viewers store certain episodes and watch them over the weekend, so that will have an impact on ratings. I would imagine that older viewers, for the most part, stick to their daily routine more so than younger viewers … so the greater impact would be in the demos, perhaps. Anyway you shape it, you can never go by any particular week’s ratings … each of the four soaps have had their share of 200+ rises and falls at any given time.
Having said that … and this is just my opinion … I am sure many, many Days viewers have totally opposite viewpoints … but: the soap runs three-month arcs, which in and of itself would be interesting because s/ls would be wrapped up in a decent amount of time; the problem is that the “arcs” are very often totally contradictory to arcs which came before it. That is my first complaint. Secondly, the writers seem to overemphasize the “good” folk in Salem …. and they are always good no matter what they do or do not do. And they are all self-righteous. And they are always loved by all the other “good” folk. On the other hand, there are the “bad” folk; even when they do good, they are always bad. All the good folk spend at least half their time chastizing the bad folk … and the other half loving the good folk. So the good folk are extremely boring, to say the least; the bad folk have exciting qualities at times, but if you like any of the bad folk, you will continuously be disgusted by how the writers portray them … especially through the eyes of the good folk. To some degree, it matters who you like and who you do not … but I think the writing encourages that and hating certain characters while loving others no matter what takes away from a good storyline. Today I came extremely close to taking Days off my DVR. I hang on even if I am bored (and I use the ff button), but when I am being continuously annoyed I have to ask why I am doing this to myself. For now, I am hanging on. And perhaps there are a number of viewers hanging on with me. We shall see.
I hope ED can bump those Days ratings a bit…
She was delightful in today’s episode, to be sure.
One other factor to consider: Lots of viewers are on vacation … and the last two weeks in July are particularly heavy.
ITA. Good point.
So, no one was on vacation this time last year? Or the year before?
My point being that, notwithstanding other years and other vacations, we are where we are right now …. and right now vacations are happening .. and most likely many young couples and especially families with school-age children are taking them in the summer when the children are out of school. There will always be multiple reasons why ratings go down … poor writing is certainly right at the top, clearly … but we also need to factor in certain statistics that continually govern results. This is not an excuse for poor writing … but a fact that contributes, along with poor writing, to the data … every year.
Agree. And I do know a lot of people were on vacation during the month of July. Yep, poor writing may be the biggest problem with soaps right now. But I’m not sure we can count on the writing getting better. Ever. Because the writers don’t seem to care what we the viewers want, even though they should realize that in the end: The viewers are all that matters and pleasing the viewers means everything. Now more than ever, you have to please the fans because their viewing choices are almost limitless.
Days! I am speechless. Well, almost. Thing is: I feel the soaps are killing themselves. I realize I have a problem with the writing of several shows myself. The writing is rabid. It’s non-stop “depressing”. No fun. It’s a drain watching this kind of writing, for me. I feel tired after watching an hour, but when I binge watch several hours I feel totally exhausted. That’s why B&B is my guilty pleasure. Short and sweet. I actually enjoy a little “naughty fluff”! Wink @ Sands!!! More fun needed on the soaps pronto. There are so many other choices — more choices than ever to watch — and fun isn’t that hard to find. Time for soaps to “liven it up!” If I want to be depressed, I can watch The News. What happened to the “Summers of Fun, Romance & Adventure” on soaps the way they were in the ’80s? Maybe it’s just me, but I almost feel today’s soaps should come with anti-depressants!
I’ll add the enjoyment level is way down on soaps, IMO. This kind of writing may work for prime time shows that air once a week, but it doesn’t work EVERY DAY. Soap fans get tired of having this drivel shoved down their throats day in and day out. If soaps need to have a rabid SL (Sami devouring EJ! which I told my friends was a mistake if EJ actually slept with Abby), then they need at least a couple other stories that are lighter in tone to balance out the manic pacing of the EJami SL (and no, EJ should NOT have slept with Abby, Sami should have only thought he had) then two of Days biggest stars ever could have had a wonderful send-off. The writers have a hard time believing that soap fans want their faves to be happy — ever so often — and def when they’re leaving the show! Why do I praise B&B for its writing: Because we actually get breaks between the manic: Ally and Oliver go to the renaissance festival during their budding romance and it was something new and different. Nice contrast to (break from) Quinn unraveling before our eyes. Even the “dreaded” triangle (which I don’t mind all that much) has “breaks” like Hope and Wyatt go camping in an aerostream. Nice and the scenery was beautiful. All soap writers should be writing in this manner but not so that it feels staged or forced (Y&R with “fake” pools on a rooftop!) Days is good, but people have hectic lives and the “escape” is missing from it and Y&R (I cannot judge GH because I am so new to viewing it). I want the 4 soaps to survive, they won’t in the state they are in now. Make the writing feel organic, even if it’s not, we do not want write-by-the-numbers (unless you can do it so well that we can’t tell and you take the used-too-often baby-dadd story and turn it on its HEAD!) JMO and I have others!
The only soap that is in trouble is DAYS. All the other soaps are having the best season in many years.
I realize that, but for me the writing at Y&R is in the same “death spiral” as Days. Same type of writing: Boring but also manic, rabidly-so! I cannot call Days out on its writing and give Y&R a pass. Sorry, there isn’t that much difference in the writing. Same ole writers from the past … still living in the past and writing in the past, just not the past tense. Yet. There is room for improvement on ALL of the remaining soaps — even B&B — and that is my point. Daytime fans shouldn’t have to settle for the same ole recycled drivel again and again. How many baby-daddy SLs do we viewers need?! If you can’t twist it around and make it at least interesting, maybe it’s NOT such a good idea, I’d love to know how many of the HWs actually watch their own shows!
Yes Matthew, & that is why Y&R has more than DOUBLE the total viewers that DOOL…..
No, Y&R has had more viewers than the other soaps for nearly three decades, even when these writers weren’t writing. It most likely has zero to do with “these” writers. Y&R is at a 3.2 to 3.3 pretty consistently, usually considered low for Y&R, it should be where some viewers were demanding it be 3.4 to 3.5 (under MAB there were posts to that affect), but the numbers are no better than MAB (someone said on average, they’re worse. IDK. I’m sure someone who follows the ratings more closely knows better than I do.) Anyway, no reason to get defensive. I am entitled to my opinion just as you are.
Great post, smart and insightful.
DAYS has to fire their head writers. They are the worst in daytime history and destroying everyone that fans love. There’s a reason why all those great actors (Chandler Massey, Blake Berris, Camila Banus and now Alison Sweeney and James Scott) are running away. Of course, they’d never say it publicly, because they are way too professional to do so. But it’s way too obvious. GH and their head writer is the living proof that things CAN be turned around!!
I agree the HWs are playing it safe to the point of being predictably boring. I can predict what will happen next. No surprises. I want fun, surprises, SLs that have not been done to death (give us a tweak, at least) and couples that energize the show on a daily basis. It’s not too much to ask for … other shows are doing it and they’re not even soaps! Soaps need to get out of the PAST and move into the PRESENT before they become a part of the very past they parrot!
I agree.I think Days may need a complete overhaul with the co-head writers and executive producer Greg Meng.Plus as you point out some major talent has left the show over the last year or so.I’m also sure i’m kicking a dead horse here but maybe some of the actors didn’t like the way the show let Chandler go early but they couldn’t say anything about it publicly.For example maybe Allison and James were close to Chandler.I’m not saying Chandler leaving made them decide to leave too but it may have helped them decide to leave.Plus another problem for Days is that they tape so far in advance.So it makes it impossible for the show to keep it quiet for very long when an actor decides to leave.
Above all they leave because they want to do something else and the stories suck so much for their characters, it doesn’t motive them to change their mind and stay, despite the paycheck. Simple as that. Chandler did not get much more screwed up over than lot’s of others of his costars who decided to go.
I do wonder if one of the reasons Chandler decided to leave and reportedly he told Freddie Smith(Sonny) back in late 2012 that he wasn’t going to resign because because he could see that Will’s story wasn’t going to heat up.Maybe Chandler knew the moment Will got together with Sonny and had a baby his story was stalled in a way.I’m not saying that Chandler didn’t want to go back to college but maybe he would have stayed if he knew the story would improve for Will.
Are all 4 shows numbers coming from the same markets? I keep reading that DAYS was dropped by several major markets, so if that’s true, and the other soaps have those markets, wouldn’t it be understandable that their numbers will always be the lowest? Are they comparing apples to apples? If Y*R has 20 markets in their figures, and B&B has 8, and DAYS has 5……. getting my point?
I couldn’t find anything that supports your theory. To my knowledge, only (a) Utah station(s) as Sands has stated in the past shifted Days into the wee hours of the morning. I personally believe it’s the writing and fan upset that’s keeping lots of people (esp EJami fans) from tuning in. I know others have their opinions as well, that’s fine, but Days needs to do something to get their numbers up, even just a little.
Soaps have been dealing with this issue for years and years. The networks have a rule that any affiliate can drop or move a show if the ratings drop lower than a certain number. The last few years of Guiding Light many affiliates dropped it, moved it to early morning time slots, or even in the middle of night. Same with Port Charles, Passions, Another World, and on and on. Sadly it happens.
Wow. It sounds so bleak. Hope it’s not that bad, really. Now is the time for TBTB at Days to work everything to get those ratings up.
Writing drives ratings, if not the characters could just sit around and talk and never do anything. Word of mouth is worth a lot. Give viewers something worth talking about, not boring and exhausting like we’re in the spin cycle!
It is what it is. I think I read on the main board here that up to 10 other affiliates will be shifting Days around on their schedules come the new fall schedule as they have picked up the Meredith Viera show and it will be airing in Days time slot in those affiliates. They aren’t cancelling it but they are moving it.
I agree that the writers need to do better. But I’ve been saying that for years. I have not been a regular viewer of Days ever since the days of everyone sitting around reading letters and EJ and Sami were also playing those dual roles. That was the most boring period of Days ever. I gave up and just never have gone back.
Nope it was not the most boring period of Days ever actually. I saw worse and (then stopped watching because too boring) with the awful fake Rafe stuff few years ago or the awful Marlena is kidnapped by evil doctor played by original Roman or the alien twins..and never ending Shawn and Belle highschool romance/drama..there was worse but right now is on the top ten of worse..all the stories centered on Jennifer the bore and her slutty creepy looking daughter…ugh and zzzzzzz.
Your post really cleared this up for me. I wasn’t aware that affiliates were moving Days for MV’s new show.
It wouldn’t be happening if its ratings were solid. Which sadly right NOW, they are not.
I suspect we’ll see a bump for ED’s arc. But that 1.7/1.6 area is something they really need to avoid.
It’s a crazy slippery slope to hate performers for what their characters do. That kind of obsession should end. Let it go.
I agree. Don’t blame the actors for the words/actions of the writers. The actors have to work with what they’re given, and most times they make the most of it, no matter how bad it is.
lol. It seems like you cared about Days of our lives tv show so much and you think it is a good show to watch. It is isn’t that much. I like when Daniel knock out the bodyguard in the hotel room and kidnap Kristen. Eileen Davidson should stay as playing Kristen on days then going back to the young and the restless. Her character Ashley is alright but she is not needed at The young and the restless. Jill Farren Phelps made a wrong call of hiring Eileen Davidson back at The young and the restless.
No one forced Eileen Davidson to sign a contract with Y&R and not Days.Plus she said she would do Days again but maybe she doesn’t want it to be a full time gig because playing Kristen may take up too much of her time.On Y&R she may not be needed as much in big stories.
Exactly of what i meant about Eileen Davidson. I think Eileen should stay with Days of our lives then going back to the young and the restless.
Maybe Eileen Davidson wanted to stay at DOOL but since they tape so far in advance they couldn’t offer her a deal because they may have already had stories written for the next few months.So Y&R offered her a contract instead and put it in that she could do Days too.Plus maybe Eileen is willing to come back to Days to do 3 months storyline arcs from time to time but she doesn’t want to be on the show full time.Maybe Eileen is at the age when she doesn’t need to be the star of the show anymore and have her character be the center of attention in stories.Plus the 2 soaps taping schedules might be different.For example Y&R may only need her 2 or so days a week
Jill Farren Phelps hired Eileen Davidson because she is going to be on the real housewives of beverly hills. That is dumb for her to do that. Jill Farren Phelps doesn’t know what she wants for the show. As what i said Eileen Davidson is better of staying days of our lives since she doesn’t want to work full time. Y&R may need her for a while.
Last year when she left DOOL Eileen did an exit interview with SOd in which she said she spent 2 hours a day on the freeway going back and forth between her home and the Days studios.So maybe the Y&R studios are closer to her home.Plus she also pointed in the interview that the character of Kristen can’t be a back burner kind of character because she stirs the plot unlike Ashley.So Ashley might be involved in some big stories on Y&R coming up but she may not be the center of them.Plus she signed a 2 year contract with Y&R.So i’m taking that to mean that she wants to stay there for awhile.Plus when she left Days last year the show’s executive producer Greg Meng did ask her if she was open to do short story arcs on DOOL and she said yes but DOOL wanted her in September which too soon because it was only 2 or so months after she had left.
oh cool. I heard that Eileen signed a 2 years contract with the young and the restless.
I need to mention the obvious too, which is that YR reclaimed the 18-34 demo back.
Those numbers are not good at all for “Days”. It’s been quite a while since “Days” has seen numbers in the 2.2 million range. That is the least watched week so far this season (dating back to late Sept. 2013); you have to go back to the week of Aug. 12, 2013 to find a lower viewership (2.283 million).
I have to come to the defense of DAYS. Its really good lately. The scenes between Daniel and Kristin are gripping and while everyone is complaining about Sami and Abigail, I think this new dimension to Sami is a breath of fresh air. I am not a life long fan and have been watching for about 6 years but I like it. I could do with less of the new Will and JJ and Paige are a bore but as a whole the show is pretty good.
Days has it’s good points, just as all the current daytime soaps do, but the ratings need to go up, even just a little. That’s what some of us are saying. The best time for Days to get the numbers up is NOW, and the easiest way to do that is to improve what is NOT good about the show. The writing is the answer in the short term and the long term. For a start, give EJami fans something to feel good about; they’ve waited long enough and the window is closing with the two stars leaving before year’s end. My advice to KC and everyone in charge of Days: Listen to the fans.
I do think Sami and EJ fans will get what they want. They are hinting at it.
I believe EJami fans will see the couple reunited, that’s almost a given, but fans want to see their fave couple happy at least for a little while before they leave the show. Hoping Days will realize that. It’s important to EJami fans to see the couple together and happy for a little while. EJami is an important couple for Days. Fans don’t want to follow/root a couple for years and get no real payoff or just a little poof of near nothing. Daysmay win some longtime fans back by doing the EJami reunion/departure right.
But why should EJami fans be any different than Bo & Hope fans, or Patch & Kayla fans, or Shane & Kimberly fans, or Sami and Lucas fans, or Roman & Marlena fans, or the list could go on and on…..and that is just Days. The list could take up the whole page of couple fans from other shows where fans have rooted for a couple for years and the end is not a happy one. That is a soap opera. You hear on these types of boards for years that fans have to suspend belief to accept what happens on a soap opera. Well fans need to take that to heart and suspend belief that not every couple is meant to have a happy ending. You don’t have to suspend belief for that. It has been happening on soap operas for years….just like in life.
And one more thrown in EJami fans have nothing to even compare to complain against Jack and Jennifer fans. Look at how many times the show broke them up simply by killing Jack off. The show dangled so many bones in the front of Jack and Jennifer fans it is not even funny.
I know what you’re saying, but this can’t be a competition where everyone loses and their fave couples are tossed up in the air to see where they land. Days needs better ratings if it’s going to survive, arguing that EJami fans should be shorted just because so many fans of other couples were just doesn’t do anything for the state of soap ratings. I feel the same way about fans arguing over the remaining 4 soaps and slamming a show for the sake of trying to prop their fave show up. None are perfect, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Ultimately the competition isn’t so much, I believe, between the remaining soaps but with the rise of reality programming on network daytime: Cheap to produce and some rising and posting decent ratings as of late. I am not a huge EJami fan myself, but I see the good a decent send-off would do for the show.
I’m not saying there should be a competition, but it just seems to be a whole lot of posts on boards lately that EJami fans are owed to and entitled a happy ending because of all the stuff they have had to endure. My point is that no fans are entitled to anything. That is the biggest problem with soap opera fans these days is that they feel they are owed something or entitled and if they don’t get it then they just tune out. I’ve watched soap operas from at least as early as 1970. If I tuned out every time my favorite actor left, or I didn’t get my way about something I would have quit in 1970. Soaps are not The Mary Tyler Moore Show or a couple show — they are ensemble shows. I am first and foremost a fan of the show not of one actor or of one couple. I’ve only quit watching soaps when the whole show as a whole quits entertaining me — not just when one actor or one couple leave.
I agree that no one is owed anything, but I feel Days owes it to itself if longevity on the air is the goal. Like you, I too, am a fan of the show first and characters secondary, but in recent years the shift has been more loyalty to fan fave characters and especially couples. I wonder if this was, in part at least, a reaction to the writers writing against the wishes of fans repeatedly. This has hurt all the shows, even those canceled. Of course I get what you’re saying and I agree, but for the good of the show I am for making fans happy. Soaps have disappointed fans for too long, makes no sense to continue doing so, in fact, it never made sense at all. Why it seems like a good idea to disappoint viewers again and again, viewers who equal ratings, I’ll never understand. Days needs the ratings up and EJami may be a chance to do that — or they could just alienate more viewers, including possibly fans returning to see these characters/actors off.
But again what fans? Why EJami fans just because it seems EJami is the end game? What about all the Lucas & Sami fans who have been fans of the show and that couple longer than EJami fans? Where is their happy ending? Why should the writers not worry about angering them and only worry about making the EJami fans happy? Fans of Lumi would love to have Sami dump EJ once and for all and run back to the arms of Lucas? Why not make those fans happy?
There has been a debate for years between those 2 couple bases about which fan base is the biggest?
When you write a show totally based on making fans happy then you always are going to have things like that? You can not write a show to make fans happy because you can’t make any fan happy all the time.
Y&R has a big thing going now with the fans of Cane & Lily. Basically the couple is stuck in boredom land because no matter what the writers do they can’t make their fan base happy. If they break them up, the fans flood the show with letters. Guiding Light faced the same thing with Michelle & Danny, and finally just wrote the couple out because they couldn’t make their fans happy.
Fans think they know what they want, but it is often at the detriment of the show. And that is why so many of the shows are in the shape they are in now, because they have done nothing but try to please the fans.
No. You have to please the viewers. The viewers are the only ones that matter. If no one watches, the show is over. These writers aren’t trying to please fans/viewers. How do you keep a couple together and make them interesting? It can be done. The writers have forgotten how to do so — or they just don’t care — or they just want to write what they want to write. The way to make a couple interesting certainly is NOT what the writers at Y&R are doing with Cane and Lily. They are more boring than they were under MAB. They dropped mystery SL was a zillion times more interesting than the current, IMO. It is as simple as good writing, but good writing has taken a back seat to self-indulgence, shock value and short-term payoffs. The results are shows that are messed up. If GL had been well written it would have had a chance for survival, but I watched to see what they were doing and I saw people locked in a shopping mall for no reason, a character stuck in the mud while walking in heels on a dirt (and very wet) road, someone ( a popular character) retrieving a drug drop from the train tracks so he could get high (nothing to do with any story). Self-indulgent drivel!!!
I don’t feel the old/young ratio of viewers is a huge problem for writers. There are so few young viewers for daytime soaps. It’s a problem, but not worth losing sleep over. For writers, that is. For the production company, etc., it may be insurmountable. Younger people today don’t seem interested in watching Grandma and Grandpa’s soap for the most part. The future of daytime soaps: Possibly reruns. Hopefully things will change, ratings will rise, and it won’t come to that.
Good writing first and foremost. I believe a writer should please fans whenever possible (viewers bring in the ratings, after all) and no use writing for an audience of one, to be obvious. Writers of novels (esp series books) know that you have to please your readers, once you let readers down with a poorly written/plotted entry, you’re dead to them! I support pleasing EJami since both characters and actors are departing Days. This would be good for Days in the long-term. Days needs a ratings rise and some stability for a long stretch.
It is simple : because the actor playing Lucas is staying whereas the actors playing Sami and Ej decided to leave the show at the same time making the characters of Ej and Sami leaving together possible. The actors playing Lucas will not lose his job just because some fans want his character ending with Sami’s character who is leaving. Nor hard to understand.
You can’t compare Ej and Sami to the pairing of Cane and Lily on Y&R. On Days writers/TPTB did everything FOR YEARS (awful actions, interlopers, families against them ect..) to throw obstacles at Sami and Ej, on Y&R it is the total opposite when writers/TPTB did everything to preserve/protect Cane and Lily as a happy couple and gave them everything they could to make their fans happy. Not a fair comparison at all.
If Allison Sweeney was staying and only James Scott was leaving then i would be okay with Sami dumping EJ and reuniting with Lucas.However as far as i know Bryan Datillo who plays Lucas is staying.Plus there’s only 2 or so months left before Sami leaves.So i don’t think that would be enough time even if they wanted to to reunite Sami and Lucas and have them leave together.
I would normally agree, but the writers have apparently made EJami the endgame for these characters and a nice, happy send-off would be good for EJami fans as well as Days. One of the most damaging things soaps have done in recent years is disappoint the fans over and over. You would think the writers would get a clue, eventually. It’s time ALL soaps started trying to please fans some of the time, after all, that’s where the ratings come from. Case in point, ALL the canceled soaps in the last 5 – 6 years disappointed fans over and over. GH did that as well, until a regime change made all the difference, look at GH now, from near cancellation to biggest gains in the ratings in the past year (and no the writing at GH isn’t perfect now, it’s juts better than it was.)
I hope EJAMI are the endgame too and they will get a happy ending but i don’t know if that will happen.If down the line James Scott and/or Allison decide to return but the other one doesn’t then the show will have to explain why Sami returned without EJ or vice versa.However the show could have Sami and EJ reunite but then tragedy could strike.For example EJ could be presumed dead and Sami takes her younger kids and leaves Salem.Then we could see that EJ is still alive.That way the door is left open for one or even both characters to return later.As for Days they may listen to the fans but since they tape so far in advance it may not matter.The other 3 soaps only tape 1-2 months or so in advance.So they have the time to change a story if it’s not working.
But what fans do you listen to? The fans on the Internet who might be one person with 60 different names posting on different boards? Do you listen to the fans shouting one actor is the greatest gift to acting ever? And you make that person the center of the show, put them in every single story, and drive all your other fans away who watched every day but just weren’t as vocal as said fans of that one actor?
Look at Days over the last few years as they have done so many plans to save days and reboots because they supposedly did what fans wanted. Fans screamed they had to have John & Marlena, Carrie & Austin, Jack and so many others back. They brought them back. Fans tuned in for a short time, and then back out. Fans promised if Kristen returned they would come back in droves. Some came back but Days didn’t soar to #1 like fans promised.
Writers of soaps years ago, wrote their soaps and they often angered fans but those ratings still went up. Yes they listened to fans and they made changes if things didn’t seem to work, but they often took chances.
MAB spent half her time at Y&R rewriting stories and retconning history because it was stuff fans said they wanted. Instead of fans coming back in droves, they continued to tune out.
Overall fans just want good consistent writing, and interesting stories as well as romance and drama. None of the shows are giving that consistently anymore.
Your last paragraph sums up exactly what I have been saying re: the writing. Have you been reading my posts? I have said as much in several posts here. You summed it up well in one small paragraph.
Fans know what they want, and many of the fans say this over and over and want exactly what you have stated. But the writers keep giving us the same over wash, rinse and repeat over and over as if it’s working, making fans happy and driving the ratings through the roof! What is probably most shocking is that not only do fans know what THEY want — writers KNOW what fans want. The game of “toss in the air” (I believe that’s what it’s called, but you know what I mean) continues to hurt current soaps: Fans get drivel, recycled stories, dropped SLs, characters and couples ruined, history tossed on the scrap heap, and the writers get criticism while the shows’ ratings suffer. Sounds like a winning plan for the future of soaps. Is it going to change? Yes. It changed every time one of the networks canceled a soap in the past. Poof! It was over. I don’t see the situation getting better as long as the writers have decided they will write for “themselves”. Try watching the last 5 years of Guiding Light! With a few exceptions, mostly “stories” that didn’t have any real beginning, middle or ending! And went NOWHERE! As a writer, you are writing for your audience, when you stop writing for your audience, you should probably stop writing — unless the only person you care about pleasing is yourself. JMO
Your last paragraph said it all. Fans want their characters to behave as though they are the same person from one year to the next (a big problem on GH these days). They want the characters to be the focus of the show instead of plots that don’t make sense or that turn into parodies as the writers seem to enjoy their inside jokes at the expense of the show’s quality. They don’t want stories that are so outlandish as to insult the audiences intelligence and they don’t want 60% of the cast to be new in any given year, only to dominate the show.
Just the fact that Days has so MANY past couples (fan faves) left in tatters, or worse, says a lot about what the writers have been doing for decades. I’m pro-writing because I’ll watch good writing any day even if the lighting is god-awful and the sets are printed on left-over pizza boxes. Good writing can transform any show to at least watchable, no matter how bad everything else is, even if some actors are not so experienced, etc. JMO and I have others!
Yeah, at least none of those couples got a reunion where their relationship was compared to an old sweatshirt and that’s it…
I agree.There’s only a few months remaining until Sami,EJ and Kristen at least for now all leave.So if i was the show i would start building up to their exits onscreen now because they have had months to plot how they leave,Plus no matter how all 3 characters leave it should create story for the remaining characters on the show too,Plus the show should set up the exits in a way that leaves the door for EJ,Sami and Kristen to return one day.For example maybe Sami and EJ could reunite but it’s only known to the audience that they are back together.Maybe EJ could fake his death and then he and Sami take their kids and leave Salem.Plus the show could let us see them get married with just their kids there.I know James Scott wrapped his taping a couple of weeks before Allison Sweeney wrapped hers but soaps do sometimes tape things out of order.
I won’t hold my breath, but I hope the show will pull this off and do it really well. I agree that things are sometimes filmed out of sequence. It’ll be interesting to see who returns for Days’ 50th!
It will be interesting to see who comes back to the 50th anniversary next year or even who the show asks back.Since Days tapes so far in advance i would think by the end of this year they are starting to plan for the anniversary.I know NBC renewed DOOL through 2016 but if the ratings don’t improve or get worse it wouldn’t surprise me if NBC finds a way to cancel Days sooner.However i do think Days is safe through their 50th anniversary but after that anything could happen.
Since I don’t expect cancellation before the 50th Celebration (I think NBC may fear a backlash from fans), I believe Days will be on air through 2015 and remain at least until 2016. If Days were canceled early, it would prob be no sooner than spring 2016. Being a Days fan I don’t want to sound dire, but I truly don’t believe Days is in imminent danger of cancellation. And getting those ratings up a bit certainly would help for the long haul.
I know some people are talking about NBC canceling “Days” (and cancellation rumors are nothing new; they’ve been around since the mid-90s, at least), and the axing of “Guiding Light”, “As the World Turns”, “All My Children” and “One Life to Live” prove that no daytime show is safe. Soap fans may have thought – like I did for a time – that shows like GL and ATWT (both claiming the title of the longest-running scripted series in US TV history at the time of their last episode) would be around forever because they were “tradition” and had always been around. I’ve always said that the best time to “save” a TV series is before it is canceled, not after.
I don’t mean to sound dire, but how “Days” responds to the loss of Alison Sweeney and James Scott could ultimately seal its fate. “Days” needs all the viewers it can get and if a lot of them leave with Scott and Sweeney, it may be too late to save the show. I have often wondered why “Days” tapes so far in advance (the simple answer is that it saves money), but it hampers their ability to correct a storyline that isn’t working. Instead, viewers have to suffer through at least four/five months before any changes can appear on screen. This tape schedule could also leave “Days” fans hanging if NBC cancels it without giving the writers time to craft a fitting or appropriate ending.
I totally agree with this post.
Very true. The 6 month in advance taping is so bad on so many levels.
I think with the amount of complaining that I have seen about Days being the Sami/EJ show that their departures may actually help some. Although now I hear a lot of complaints about it being too heavy on Daniel etc.
The 6 month thing definitely hurts it. But its what keeps the budget in tact and is probably why the show continued.
YouTube is a problem. I just researched DAYS and Y&R channels on YouTube and DAYS has tens of thousands of views on full length episodes. Y&R has a couple thousand only. There could be several Nielsen families watching DAYS on YouTube.
Fact is that the networks could in part alleviate any problems around this if they would allow their shows to be seen conveniently On demand – but they won’t.
How many viewers does each Nielsen person represent?
Every time I get a little glimmer of hope for Y&R news comes out and I just shake my head. I love Meredith Baxter but the last thing Y&R needs now is another new face and another new character.
And what in the world is it with soaps feeling they have to just keep hiring ex-sitcom and prime time stars. I know they need the work and it gives them a little bit of publicity but it sure hasn’t worked to bring fans to any show long term. And it just makes me sad for so many performers in that age range that were on the former soaps that we will never see again. The genre they gave their time and careers to just doesn’t even want them anymore.
Y&R may want to tackle a lesbian storyline. Her character with Nikki. They’ll drink and “party” together.
Personally, I think it depends on the role and the actor/actress. I liked the role of Gloria on Y&R when it was first introduced with Joan Van Ark. The role was similar to OLTL’s Roxy (played by Ilene Kristen). I don’t really like Judith Chapman in the role, and she should be phased out. Van Ark reportedly bowed out because of the “lower class” status of Gloria. Meredith Baxter could be a good addition, or a bad addition. Only time will tell.
I loved Joan Van Ark as Gloria. She was wonderful — much better than Judith Chapman who can be good in the right role. I have always heard that Joan Van Ark left because she knew Lynn Latham was coming. They didn’t get a long at all at Knot’s Landing and she didn’t want to work with her again.
I just hate there are actresses out of work we will just never see again. There aren’t that many shows left and then the ones that are left just aren’t interested in hiring out of work soap actors of a certain age.
There are multiple channels on YouTube that upload full episodes of DAYS which add up to tens of thousands views for each upload…about twenty times more than the Y&R channels. I know Nielsen does not count those, so if Nielsen families are watching DAYS on YouTube, that can explain a lot. How many viewers does each Nielsen member represent? I asked JayTN the same question.
I think Meredith Baxter per se is a very talented, as well as versatile actress. As always, however, an actor is limited by his/her scripts and storyline in general, his/her character and the characters with whom he/she intereacts. We already know she will be interacting with Nikki, booze will flow and other “major” characters will be involved. If the storyline is flimsy, or not well developed … and the focus is on characters that may not be considered all that “major” to enough fans, the character and her storyline may not succeed. But MB is certainly talented enough to take the storylines to its outer limits. As you say, time will tell.
The irony is in the name of the character: Maureen!
Does anyone think the on the next episode of clips at the end of some of the shows hurts. I don’t see issue with it if it doesnt give away major parts of an episode. But sometimes the clip completely gives away the cliffhanger at the end of the show. I know GH does them, I havent seen Days do them lately not sure about the CBS soaps. But what are peoples opinions on this. To the internet fan not a big deal Im guessing because they have already seeked out spoilers. But to the average fan who watches to be surprised I’d be upset.
GH and Y&R are the only soaps that currently have teasers at the end of their episodes. B&B has never had them, to my knowledge, while “Days” ended theirs several years ago (reportedly a victim of budget cuts).
I tend to take the same opinion as you. As long as nothing major is spoiled – if that happens, why bother to tune it? – I don’t see the harm. Primetime shows have been doing it for years.
I feel the same way as both of you.
When I watched Days I always really hated theirs. They always seemed to have a good cliffhanger and then turn around and ruin it with the previews for the next day.
Today I saw GH do it, the whole episode built up to an ending where Patrick opens a door and is shocked at the person behind it. Then in the next episode teaser they show him talking to Robin. Now I realize its pretty well known especially to those on the internet but not to everyone and just felt like why would they do that. I have never been a fan of them. I think in the case of GH its a RC/FV thing. I remember when ABC stopped the teasers at some point when those 2 took over the OLTL next episode teaser returned. I just don’t see the point granted i know prime time does it well and has also ruined some pretty important things but me personally I could do without them.
For the record the last time GH viewers saw Robin she was at that clinic.So most people could figure out that if Patrick was going to be at the clinic chances were good he would run into Robin there.Plus more people might tune into tomorrow knowing Robin will be on.So sometimes GH may leak some big stuff in the previews because that could get people tune in.Otherwise some people might miss the fact that Robin is back.
But the purpose of the cliffhanger alone if it is done right is what is supposed to get people to tune in. You are supposed to build up the angst and the tension to the point that people have got to tune in. What if Dallas had shown previews for next season that gave away the fact that JR didn’t die. Not as many folks would have tuned in to the next season premiere to see if he made it.
Back when soaps were achieving their highest ratings there were no spoilers and no next day previews. You didn’t have to see a person who was returning in the previews to want to tune in the next day. You tuned in because you wanted to see what was going to happen next.
If the writing is good enough, that is all that is needed to make people tune in.
Prime time is very different than Daytime.They don’t do previews of the next season in the season finales because they may not even know then what all will happen next season.However since you used Dallas as an example i think most of their fans knew JR was going to live.So fans may not have tuned in the next season to see whether JR lived or died but who pulled the trigger.Plus as i pointed out the last time we saw Robin she was at that clinic.So most fans even the ones who don’t read the spoilers knew since Patrick would be at the clinic chances were good that he’d see Robin there.
So if the fans are supposed to know that — then why in the world do the cliffhanger in the first place. It was totally pointless. Fans are supposed to know it and then we’ll just show them in the previews. If they are going to show it in the previews anyway and fans are supposed to know it then why not just open the door, we see Robin and fade out. Your way of thinking makes the cliffhanger totally pointless.
We still don’t know if Robin was the opened the door for Patrick.Just because in the preview we see Patrick and Robin together doesn’t mean she was the one who unlocked the door for him.Plus in the GH previews they sometimes show stuff that doesn’t happen right away in the next episode.So today’s episode might open with Patrick encountering the person who unlocked the door and then later he encounters Robin.Plus reportedly Victor Cassadine returns in today’s episode too.So maybe he’s the one unlocked the door and once Patrick sees him he realizes that Robin might be at the clinic too and demands to see her.Plus yesterday’s show was originally going to air last Friday.So maybe the show wanted originally wanted the fans to know Patrick would see Robin and keep them hooked over the weekend.
Excellent reasoning, Andrew … and quite accurate
Again if they were going to reveal it was RObin I have to agree TV&MovieBuff they should have shown her as the cliffhanger. That to me would have been more effective. Yes the last time we saw her was at the clinic but if you were someone who had no clue she was going to be back on you may not have known. The problem today is that with the internet things get out so the shows almost feel like they need to do the same to get people to watch. While primetime may not give things away at the end of the season, they generall do with the trailer for when the new season is starting. I just think little things like this contribute to why people don’t watch things. If you show me it is Robin then now if its a casual viewer they may not tune in.
While we are on the subject of Robin, I have to wonder if she will mean as much to the ratings this time. When she came back last fall it gave the show a huge boost. A lot of people were unhappy with how she was written out. Personally I didn’t think the way she was written out was that unrealistic but can understand why some felt the way they did. The fact that she is only around short term again also makes me wonder if people will just not care as much and no doubt she will pop up again in a few months. Instead of writing her out I don’t know why they just dont have her on recurring and use her when she is available. THere can be excuses for her not being seen on screen that might keep viewers happier.
I personally think the end of episode spoilers are bad for viewership. It not only gives you a preview of what happens but also the characters that will be on the next episode. I like a big cliffhanger and to leave it to my imagination until I next watch. Maybe I am showing my age and in the minority. Example, I recently started watching GH and I enjoy GH somewhat but as I ease into the show I find I am mostly really interested in the Nina storyline. If I don’t see her character in the preview I am inclined to skip it.
To me a big (BIG) problem for the soaps this year is the musical chairs with legacy characters appearing from one soap to the next. If one actor goes to another show, good luck to them. However now I am seeing Jason Morgan on Y&R, Todd, McBain and Starr on GH (all playing really terrible characters) along with Phyllis Summers from Y&R, and I see Blair on Days. And all of them hogging air time when each shows fans want to see the characters they have watched for years – not screen hogs from other shows. Why bother having any loyalty to a show if the hiring powers don’t? As someone said on one of the boards, can you imagine if prime time shows changed their casts so severly and expected the audience to stay? Particularly when the writing they do for beloved longtimers just makes them dumber than they have ever been and filler material or props for the interlopers.
Only B&B has sustained cohesion in the cast.
This isn’t the first year that actors have gone from one soap to another or even hogged airtime on their new soap.As for B&B over the last year they have brought back Sean Kanan and hired Thorsten Kaye.Plus B&B is only a half hour show.So if they were an hour show they would have more space for more characters i’m sure.Plus prime time only air 20 or so episodes per season.Daytime soaps air over 200 episodes a year.So there’s a big difference right there.
Even in the heyday when soaps were doing huge ratings characters changed etc. Comparing it to prime time makes no sense. Prime Time casts stay the same because a prime time show does around 23 episodes per year(some only get half seasons which brings it closer to 11). Prime Time programs are also on 1 time a week soaps are on 5 times per week. Things have to change to keep it fresh.
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